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03-10-2016, 10:13 AM

#871

skydisaster

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You are correct, the training schedule becomes the CC72 at the completion of IOE, but they point remains that you are only guaranteed to be on it until the next flush bid.

03-10-2016, 11:09 AM

#872

Marko

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Puddy

Really? I thought new hire pilots start with a different reserve type schedule and then bid 7/7 when able.

I stand corrected!!!

This is pretty close. The training schedule is up to 18 days per month. After IOE, a new hire may request and be assigned a 7/7 line until he is able to bid another schedule/line.

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Originally Posted by Jetlife

This isn't true. There are percentage allotments for schedules. Now that there is no more 18 day schedule, I am not sure how it shakes up but 100% of any given fleet cannot be on 7/7.

There are no allotments, per se. There are maximums during times of furlough and minimums on some schedules and options that are discretionary on the part of the company. Then there are retention rules. It would be possible for almost 100% to be on the 7/7, although the retention rules would likely kick in, making it take several bid cycles for that to actually happen.

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Originally Posted by Jetlife

But what I can gather, all the CC schedules cannot exceed 40%, which would leave 60% for the 7/7 max.

The first part is not true unless during time of furlough, and the second not at all.

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Originally Posted by skydisaster

Jetlife. It is a max of 40% for other schedules not a minimum. There is no max on the 7/7. And no you cannot stay on the CC72 indefinitely. Although it is easier to hold than the 18 day was, it is still not a guaranteed schedule.

True, during time of furlough only. The company does not have to restrict the CC schedules to 40% today.

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Originally Posted by Jetlife

Well if you are moved off the the training schedule to 7/7, that would be a new change. Previously if you were on the 18 day training schedule, you are left on the 18 day schedule upon completion.

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Originally Posted by skydisaster

No, you are left on the training schedule until the next flush bid. Unless, you request off of it.

You do have the right to the CC72 after a type school, until the next open bid period. Previously, you could also request to go to a 7/7 after a new type IOE per an LOA in effect since 2009. That is now in the CBA.

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Originally Posted by skydisaster

You are correct, the training schedule becomes the CC72 at the completion of IOE, but they point remains that you are only guaranteed to be on it until the next flush bid.

Yep.

03-10-2016, 03:32 PM

#873

Flyfalcons

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetlife

Again. no.. Yes you repeated what I said in what you quoted. 60% is allotted for the 7/7. That doesn't mean that anyone who wants it can get it. It means that 60% of pilots per fleet can get 7/7. There is no default schedule. In fact if anything the 18 day schedule is default as you were left on that outside of training if you did not bid off of it. Now that would be the CC72.

This is still incorrect. The only caps placed are on the CC schedules. There is no cap placed on the 7/7 schedule.

03-11-2016, 03:01 PM

#874

Marko

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As a data point, the junior phenom pilot (aka "the plug") was able to hold the CC72 on the latest award, and the CC52 went to a pilot only 38 numbers senior.

03-28-2016, 12:57 AM

#875

Intel33

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Schedules and pay question

Have the new schedules kicked in yet? Just curious what a monthly (or bid period) typical schedule looks like. Are you just bidding working a given number of days in a period or is there any control over the actual days or a certain pattern of on and off days?

I'm also curious about the 52 day schedule pay. Doing the math it appears the 52 day pays more per day than any other schedule. Otherwise it appears the more days you work per rotation there is a slightly higher daily pay rate. Is the 52 day similar to the old 15 day in that you are essentially "reserve" so you don't know your schedule and are being paid a premium because of it?

03-28-2016, 07:07 AM

#876

Marko

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Originally Posted by Intel33

For the most part, all schedules are in use. The CC52 waits until June to become effective. A typical schedule built on these CC is all over the map. You can put in a "dream sheet" to ask for particular desires, but it is totally up to the company whether to honor it. Probably average a 65-70% success rate as junior in a fleet.

The 52 is the highest daily rate and pays slightly less than 7&7. It is not similar to the 15 day. It pays 15% less than the equivalent 15 day of old, but works 24 less days and the schedule is published and fixed every month.