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Old 03-10-2013 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
I've done it at our non towered out stations in the ATL systems many a times. It's legal both per the FAR's and company op specs and much faster than waiting around on the phone, GCO, or through the crappy ground freqs for approach and center. Same thing up north in CLE heck most of the time that was the fastest and easiest way to make CRP up there.
Just curious... have you read our ops spec concerning those operations? Or the most recent ops bulletin?

Just because it is legal per the FARs, if company ops specs are more restrictive, they take precedence.

The company has made it clear that the only time we can depart VFR and pick up our IFR in the air is when departing from the Bahamas. So, who cares if it is faster. If it takes 20 minutes to get a clearance, oh well...

Besides... I've had more problems getting a clearance coming out of the Bahamas than I have using an GCO or calling the FSS.
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Old 03-10-2013 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
I've done it at our non towered out stations in the ATL systems many a times. It's legal both per the FAR's and company op specs and much faster than waiting around on the phone, GCO, or through the crappy ground freqs for approach and center. Same thing up north in CLE heck most of the time that was the fastest and easiest way to make CRP up there.
You've blocked out...if it takes an extra 90 seconds to call center/approach/FSS/Your Grandmama/whatever just take a deep breath and do it. At least that's my motto but I'm coming from prior 121 where we could never do the "Bahama thing."

Besides...we gettin' paid by the minute dawg! Might as well be safe and thorough by the minute as well.

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Besides... I've had more problems getting a clearance coming out of the Bahamas than I have using an GCO or calling the FSS.
Departing MHH for FLL :shudder:

That long climb before anyone calls you back is the longest 5 minutes ever.

Also Y U NO respond to my texts dawg?
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Old 03-10-2013 | 01:47 PM
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The recent ops bulletin does not address departures under vfr only arrivals. In PIB this is an issue at times getting a clearance departing to the South. It's a non event getting it in the air I've done it with check airman but you all can do whatever you want.
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Old 03-10-2013 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
The recent ops bulletin does not address departures under vfr only arrivals. In PIB this is an issue at times getting a clearance departing to the South. It's a non event getting it in the air I've done it with check airman but you all can do whatever you want.
Guess you've never called the FSS over the VOR?
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Old 03-10-2013 | 02:55 PM
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Good luck picking it up on the north side of the airport it's the same as HOU not working either but if you wana burn 5 min waiting that's cool too.
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Old 03-10-2013 | 03:15 PM
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Worked fine the couple of times we got our clearance sitting just short of 18. And I don't mind burning 5 minutes.
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Old 03-10-2013 | 03:26 PM
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Cruz5350

Try the upper antenna......

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Old 03-10-2013 | 03:51 PM
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Ya we use the upper antenna it's really an airport position that causes the issue along with some radios being better than others.
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Old 03-10-2013 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
The recent ops bulletin does not address departures under vfr only arrivals. In PIB this is an issue at times getting a clearance departing to the South. It's a non event getting it in the air I've done it with check airman but you all can do whatever you want.
Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Good luck picking it up on the north side of the airport it's the same as HOU not working either but if you wana burn 5 min waiting that's cool too.
Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Ya we use the upper antenna it's really an airport position that causes the issue along with some radios being better than others.


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Old 03-10-2013 | 09:02 PM
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I'd have to care what others thought of me first....
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