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07-16-2013 | 05:14 AM
#3601
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From: Devil's Advocate
does it mention about an order to captain upgrade, or is it just on an as needed basis depending on who bids for it? Reason I ask is... the people that have the type (like myself in a few weeks) don't need to do the ATP or PIC ride... it's just a recurrent/transiton type event that won't take nearly as long as someone doing the whole transition course, which saves $$$. So, financially if I'm understanding the captain upgrade right, it'd be cheaper ($$$ wise here) to upgrade someone who already has their type, and just got 1,000hrs 121/135 than someone who has 1,000+ but no type... I know Silver is all about the $$$ pinching.
Luckily, that's not how it will happen. Reference sandrich's post.
07-16-2013 | 05:23 AM
#3602
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I understand that, but is it not the captain's responsibility to make sure that a flight cal safely, and legally be flown? Starting July 31 I'd start asking FO's to show me their ATP...
07-16-2013 | 05:34 AM
#3603
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Current pilots serving as an SIC are not required to have a full type until January of 2016. Anybody hired after August 1, 2013 will be required to have both the ATP and type rating.
Just trying to keep up with where the break point is on needing the type to serve as SIC. Since the current FOs had to go fly a Seminole for their ATP ride rather than do a ATP/type ride in the Saab, we are going to have a pilot group that has some FOs with a type and ones that don't. Don't want to be in trouble because I flew with an FO that was supposed to have the type rating and somehow fell through the cracks.
Just trying to keep up with where the break point is on needing the type to serve as SIC. Since the current FOs had to go fly a Seminole for their ATP ride rather than do a ATP/type ride in the Saab, we are going to have a pilot group that has some FOs with a type and ones that don't. Don't want to be in trouble because I flew with an FO that was supposed to have the type rating and somehow fell through the cracks.
07-16-2013 | 10:31 AM
#3608
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From: Airbus 320 Right Seat
what is this announcement that everyone is talking about??..when are they gonna come out with it??..or is just another one of the Silver rumors??
07-16-2013 | 11:07 AM
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I think the "big news" will be nothing more than some stupid codeshare with a foreign carrier, and mean nothing for the pilot group.
Food for though-- the union's view is that if FO's dont like the current situation, theres plenty of other airlines out there to work for. However, they also stated "why would anyone with ATP mins want to come fly turbo props for these wages." Cliffnotes; no plan to help retain pilots, no plan to help attract new ones. Well, call me stupid, but either the company or union (probably both) doesn't understand the importance of an FO in a 2 pilot aircraft.
It seems to me that the company and union would rather wait until they have to spend thousands every day to put pax in hotels for cancelled flights, than spend $5 more per hour to the pilots for said flight. FWIW, apparently last month was an all time high with $70,000 spent in hotels, transportation, meal vouchers, customs fees, etc in FLL alone, for cancelled flights (a fair part of that due to crew shortages).
Want to really sit back with popcorn and watch a good show? Tell all the senior guys in FL that they are going to be outstation based in Pensacola, Jacksonville, and Macon (maybe thats the big news
)
Food for though-- the union's view is that if FO's dont like the current situation, theres plenty of other airlines out there to work for. However, they also stated "why would anyone with ATP mins want to come fly turbo props for these wages." Cliffnotes; no plan to help retain pilots, no plan to help attract new ones. Well, call me stupid, but either the company or union (probably both) doesn't understand the importance of an FO in a 2 pilot aircraft.
It seems to me that the company and union would rather wait until they have to spend thousands every day to put pax in hotels for cancelled flights, than spend $5 more per hour to the pilots for said flight. FWIW, apparently last month was an all time high with $70,000 spent in hotels, transportation, meal vouchers, customs fees, etc in FLL alone, for cancelled flights (a fair part of that due to crew shortages).
Want to really sit back with popcorn and watch a good show? Tell all the senior guys in FL that they are going to be outstation based in Pensacola, Jacksonville, and Macon (maybe thats the big news
)
Last edited by sandrich; 07-16-2013 at 11:40 AM.
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