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Old 08-04-2012 | 08:31 PM
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No we have 5 300's still, the planes are fine. The reason in theory behind not landing on 33R at BWI is because its 100FT wide vs 150 so it gives a weird optical illusion is what they are saying. Really its because people fly at V-Ref and not V-Ref ICE then they chop the power rotate like the 200 and the resume light comes on.
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Old 08-05-2012 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by atdhockey
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Thanks for the sensible answer. Fortunately, Commutair isn't such a presence at BWI that it will make much difference, but every airplane that will take 15L/33R helps to make the airport much more efficient.
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Old 08-05-2012 | 09:16 PM
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Never mind the fact that the 300 is a squeeze on the taxiways for 33R-15L (people forget how wide the wheelbase and wingspan are on the dash). I've landed the 300 on it many times and was honestly more concerned about making sure the captain wasn't putting a wheel in the grass or nicking the glideslope shack while taxiing (I also don't drag and chop it on landing either). That runway works great for all the little corporate jets that use it, but I would have to imagine that the 300 was on the upper end (dimension-wise) of the planes that were using it.

Originally Posted by EasternATC
Commutair isn't such a presence at BWI that it will make much difference.
Exactly. 5-6 flights a day isn't worth worrying about. We also have a lot more flexibility in terms of maintaining a wide range of speeds on approach, flying short approaches, 20kt tailwind landings, and intersection departures that should partially make up for not using that runway.
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Old 08-05-2012 | 09:30 PM
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We used to land the 400 on that thing, quit your whining.
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Old 08-06-2012 | 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
We used to land the 400 on that thing, quit your whining.
And here I'm fresh out of cookies and gold stars...
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Old 08-06-2012 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by zildjian_zach
And here I'm fresh out of cookies and gold stars...

Win!
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Old 08-06-2012 | 05:58 AM
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Keep bringing in the -200 at Vref, chop the power of the numbers and you'll start whacking the ass on them too.

Ref + a few / fly it on with power and you'll never drag the tail. If you see the 802 panel flash something in the flare, reduce the pitch attitude even if it makes you smack it on. It tells you when you're above 6 degrees.

Used to have nightmares about that touched runway light.......
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Old 08-07-2012 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by zildjian_zach
Never mind the fact that the 300 is a squeeze on the taxiways for 33R-15L (people forget how wide the wheelbase and wingspan are on the dash). I've landed the 300 on it many times and was honestly more concerned about making sure the captain wasn't putting a wheel in the grass or nicking the glideslope shack while taxiing (I also don't drag and chop it on landing either). That runway works great for all the little corporate jets that use it, but I would have to imagine that the 300 was on the upper end (dimension-wise) of the planes that were using it.
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Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
We used to land the 400 on that thing, quit your whining.
plus 1 and then some.
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Old 08-07-2012 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by zildjian_zach
Never mind the fact that the 300 is a squeeze on the taxiways for 33R-15L (people forget how wide the wheelbase and wingspan are on the dash). I've landed the 300 on it many times and was honestly more concerned about making sure the captain wasn't putting a wheel in the grass or nicking the glideslope shack while taxiing (I also don't drag and chop it on landing either). That runway works great for all the little corporate jets that use it, but I would have to imagine that the 300 was on the upper end (dimension-wise) of the planes that were using it.
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Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
We used to land the 400 on that thing, quit your whining.
plus 1 and then some.
You guys obviously need the sad ego boost, so I'll just play along and act impressed...
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Old 08-07-2012 | 01:25 PM
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Maybe it was the almighty Tim Martins trying to demonstrate how to land the airplane the way he landed his imaginary F-16!
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