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Old 01-18-2017, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by alaskadrifter View Post
I'd be really surprised to see a union here.
The only reason why it didn't pass years ago was because of all the senior pilots with the golden handcuffs that wouldn't vote for it. Now those pilots are few and far between and the other bases have them outnumbered.
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:06 PM
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I agree with that assessment. I think there may be some mentality progression as well with the nay sayers from last time. Rumor is there's a core group of names that might surprise you trying to get the ball rolling.
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Originally Posted by Greenlantern340 View Post
The only reason why it didn't pass years ago was because of all the senior pilots with the golden handcuffs that wouldn't vote for it. Now those pilots are few and far between and the other bases have them outnumbered.
Many are still here, most are on the 2000. I still think a union is unlikely. I'd like to see a vote on one though.
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Old 01-18-2017, 10:19 PM
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Even some of the lifers are leaving too. One I thought was gonna be around forever went to UPS, and another went to Alaska.
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Old 01-18-2017, 11:35 PM
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The Union threat was valid 10 years ago. Back then there was no shortage of pilots that were willing to sleep in the back of their cars outside the training center while going through groundschool in order to secure a job that required being responsible for more lives than fit on a school bus but be paid less than a school bus driver.

Times are different now, the Union Threat is novel and I know for a fact that meetings have been held, but things have shifted more in our favor. We don't even need to threaten organization anymore because we can all get jobs that will have us at home more nights per month and netting more income in less than 1 year tomorrow. A Grant pilot flying an Airvan in Bristol Bay and commuting from Anchorage makes more than we do and is home more nights than we are unless you are in the left seat and have been there for more than 5 years. And that's if you insist on living in AK. If you're willing to live in America why in the **%# wide world of sports would you put up with PenAir? Go fly a jet and get the same pay and the career progression. These concepts need to be published on an open forum without fear of management retribution.
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Originally Posted by Wonder Woman View Post
The Union threat was valid 10 years ago. Back then there was no shortage of pilots that were willing to sleep in the back of their cars outside the training center while going through groundschool in order to secure a job that required being responsible for more lives than fit on a school bus but be paid less than a school bus driver.

Times are different now, the Union Threat is novel and I know for a fact that meetings have been held, but things have shifted more in our favor. We don't even need to threaten organization anymore because we can all get jobs that will have us at home more nights per month and netting more income in less than 1 year tomorrow. A Grant pilot flying an Airvan in Bristol Bay and commuting from Anchorage makes more than we do and is home more nights than we are unless you are in the left seat and have been there for more than 5 years. And that's if you insist on living in AK. If you're willing to live in America why in the **%# wide world of sports would you put up with PenAir? Go fly a jet and get the same pay and the career progression. These concepts need to be published on an open forum without fear of management retribution.
Well said. I dont think they even know how to be competitive with all the other airlines. I feel things were good here until the last six months.
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Old 01-19-2017, 04:44 AM
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Law of Unintended Consequences

Grow either too much or too fast, things you hadn't thought could change, will do so.

Have patience, or lace up your shoes.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:12 AM
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Hate to say it but i do not see that happening. Management is a pilot hating group. Every 2 weeks they send out our paychecks and just hate the fact that we are the highest employees/expenses on their list. Also how do you think they will give say just the captains a pay raise when they can even pay out a quarterly bonus to the fo's? Supposedly something happened with the paperwork and not getting it in on time. I highly doubt that! Why do you think scotty B is now a part owner? Hmmm lets think for a second, penair not paying bills, penair not paying people, penair bad credit... he is a short term resolution to their money/credit problem. It's not good
This is nothing new. It was a ****show when they opened BOS and HNL. Anyone remember the time when we didn't get our checks direct deposited, because they said it would be better to have actual paper checks since we could deposit them sooner, even though it was Columbus Day and the banks were closed?
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Has anybody heard how the union talks went? Is it going to go up for a vote? I was told that if we did unionize that DS would close the doors, but I don't think he legally could with all the EAS contracts that we are obligated to fill.
Close the doors. This has always instilled fear amongst the pilots. Since Oren supposedly said it. Man up and unionize! If they shut the doors, then fine! You are then free to get another job and eventually you'll be better off.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:21 AM
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I heard the HNL horror stories yes. Anyone know why we are supposely getting our bonus checks via actual check form mailed to our address on file? Last time I heard people just received it with their regular direct deposit...
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