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#1861
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I'm confused here. You said you did some time with AMF then left, and vented your frustrations. Now, why do you continue to try to make the company out to be a bad place, when it's very obvious that you jumped into the deep end without knowing how to swim. What vested interest do you have in trashing the place?
My small experience is that today is not necessary to work for AMF if your final goal is a major in part 121. Of course it could be an experience, good or bad it depends on many factor but not necessary as of today.
I've just wrote my recent experience there, it that makes the company looks bad....
#1862
Very good for you.
Unfortunately for somebody else the fact that they have been flying by themselves for years was a problem. They did not pass the sim training because they were not able to coordinate a course of action with the other pilot. They did everything by themselves.
The problem may be that after you have been the Capt. of yourself you a long time, you may have a problem been the SIC of somebody else maybe younger than you who is the Capt.
Unfortunately for somebody else the fact that they have been flying by themselves for years was a problem. They did not pass the sim training because they were not able to coordinate a course of action with the other pilot. They did everything by themselves.
The problem may be that after you have been the Capt. of yourself you a long time, you may have a problem been the SIC of somebody else maybe younger than you who is the Capt.
So your example was one person that you knew who had trouble making the transition and not a more general statement that single pilot ops builds habit patterns that are hard to break and could endanger training? This statement sounds pretty general to me:
...if you spend more than a year at a single pilot job, you'll get used you to fly by yourself so much that the day you want to do another job and you'll be in a cockpit with another pilot (which by the way are the most of the jobs out there) wou may not be used to crew coordination anymore and you'll have a problem during training.
Maybe you are a fan of the MPL?
#1863
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From: Airbus 319/320 Captain
I, for one, was more then overjoyed to get out of the multi-engine single pilot environment as I scared the crap out of myself on at least two occasions. Another qualified person in the cockpit is always, in most cases, a bonus when it comes to a more safe and efficient operation.
#1864
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I had fun flying at AMF most of the time, sometimes the flying was crappy but thats flying. It was everything else that drove me nuts. Well below average pay, horrible layover conditions, horrible base management (YMMV) and a horrible schedule. I think people that make a career out of freight are freaking nuts, but if you go in and get out to something better, you did exactly what AMF is designed for.
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#1868
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The info we got was somewhat vague. Some departments are moving, some are staying. I know a couple of folks who have told me they WERE moving. One because he will go from about $2400 per month rent to about $1000. Bank the rest and have money for a down payment in just over a year and get a house payment less than his current rent.
#1869
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My point is not what it was yesterday but what is today.
Major are not looking for turbine PIC which is the main thing why pilots go AMF. Of course if you are a good pilot with a good personality you interview, been hired an pass any training.
Point is that today turbine PIC is not necessary to apply to a major, then if they call you and you pass the interview is not only related to what you did before but on how good you interview.
Any flying experience is important and has a lot to teach if you are open to learn and AMF has a lot to teach.
I just don't understand how come that AMF pilot and training Capt. leave to go regional?
MD80 may have steam gauges, you know better than me, but is that the future? Or Boeing and Airbus are?
As a MD 80 Capt, how many pilot did you see going from AMF straight to major, in percentage? More or less?
I think they ares till a small group.
Thank you for your post.
I understand you had a crappy experience, and it's good to let people know so they can be informed. But, it's a personal thing I think...as for the MIA Base, it was heaven to me! Not to mention it was a job paying a livable wage as well! I have worked some very crappy jobs and I don't think I'll ever be completely happy unless I adjust my attitude and expectations. We always will have a complaint. Give me a livable wage, nice reserve time, weekends off, good maintenance, a reputable name to work for, great IFR experience, awesome group of pilots and I'm sold on the place. AMF was waaaay better than anywhere I've worked and I value the experience of flying there as well as meeting the people I worked with. You actually do get a little notoriety having flown these planes single pilot and having dealt with so many situations and weather that come up in 135 freight when you show someone your resume anywhere (and believe me, I have applied at a crap load of places so I've seen people's reaction).
As for those going to the regionals afterwards, I think it's a necessary step to make it to the big airlines and having the PIC time which MAY be a requirement again will have set that pilot up for success. My case was I had mostly PIC and AMF gave me Turbine PIC, I wasn't able to get too far without jet and 121 time; and that's what precipitated my move and that of the other guys....we're checking those boxes. Think of the pilots who have been at regionals for a while and don't have the PIC time yet...there was a time when they were praying for a chance to do so at a regional, some still are, for years. Luckily things have changed for the moment and they are getting somewhere without it; but who knows what the future holds??
At my base we had a regional pilot with way more time than most of us started with and zilch PIC, he came to AMF for that alone and guess what happened when he had the PIC + total + jet/121 (4 years) from the regionals he was at before? He moved on with a much better resume...set himself up for success and is reaping the benefits.
The whole glass time thing is something that weighs on my mind, I admit. But, who the F can't fly that??? FMS?...if you don't know how to learn computers by now then you might as well quit while you're young. I think it's more important to get quality flight time and experience that attracts attention while you can. It's all about meeting requirements that WILL change as often as companies want them to. Do you want to be sweating, praying and hoping you are okay without having checked in one box? I don't, and I think most (if not all) guys at AMF are there for that sole reason.
Being forthcoming with only the bad at a company doesn't give the whole story and it's very biased. If I listened to everyone that bad mouthed a company or a person, I wouldn't have gained the experience that today makes me proud to show my resume, not shyly hand it over and hope they like my personality, or that my connection is better than the other guy's. That metro time has been good to me in my search, and I have AMF to thank for that.
And to finish, freight 135 life isn't that bad if it's right for your life. The captain that trained me had a run he loved, 3 days off a week, making decent money was happy with the place and he didn't want to go anywhere any time soon...it's all about perspective; as with anything in life.
Be prepared, because hope and timing won't get you all the way there!
#1870
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I, for one, was more then overjoyed to get out of the multi-engine single pilot environment as I scared the crap out of myself on at least two occasions. Another qualified person in the cockpit is always, in most cases, a bonus when it comes to a more safe and efficient operation.
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