Can you fly this trip?
10-20-2011, 06:05 PM
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Can you fly this trip?
The question is can you fly this trip as a 135 company who operates under 'eligible on demad.' If you can how? If not then why?
"The Trip"
Aircraft: Jet
Weather: Clear
Destination airport is a private ranch (R) with no weather or APG. There is a airport (A) near by, aprox 10 miles, that also does not have weather but it does have instrument approaches. To cover one aspect right away ATC is available and there is someone on the ground at the ranch monitoring their airinc freq. This covers the whole flight monitoring rule.
Here is how some have said they have been able to fly there under 135.
1. File IFR to airport A and have an alternate that does have weather on the
flight plan. (eligible on demad rule)
2. Once in the area of airport A and the ranch is insight, cancel IFR and land
under VFR.
3. Coming out of the ranch pick up your clearance within 50nm of departure
airport and fly home.
My dispute is that they are using the eligible on demand rule, which requires APG, to fly to the airport "A" because it does not have weather. However they are truly landing and taking off from an airport that does not have APG or weather.
Thoughts.......
"The Trip"
Aircraft: Jet
Weather: Clear
Destination airport is a private ranch (R) with no weather or APG. There is a airport (A) near by, aprox 10 miles, that also does not have weather but it does have instrument approaches. To cover one aspect right away ATC is available and there is someone on the ground at the ranch monitoring their airinc freq. This covers the whole flight monitoring rule.
Here is how some have said they have been able to fly there under 135.
1. File IFR to airport A and have an alternate that does have weather on the
flight plan. (eligible on demad rule)
2. Once in the area of airport A and the ranch is insight, cancel IFR and land
under VFR.
3. Coming out of the ranch pick up your clearance within 50nm of departure
airport and fly home.
My dispute is that they are using the eligible on demand rule, which requires APG, to fly to the airport "A" because it does not have weather. However they are truly landing and taking off from an airport that does not have APG or weather.
Thoughts.......
10-20-2011, 06:44 PM
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We operate under 135 and 91. We are not like some who regardless of what type of flight it is they operate to the tighter restriction. Make sense? Only thing in the manuals is our wavier for EOD and so forth. It is basic pick and choose. No set rule. Opspecs C077 comes to mind though.
10-26-2011, 06:27 PM
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Pick a destination that has approved weather reporting, use the ranch as a waypoint within your route.
Descend to the MVA near the ranch, if you see it cancel and land.
Departing if in your op specs. and are able to depart under VFR and obtain your IFR clearance within 50nm of the airport, go for it.
Descend to the MVA near the ranch, if you see it cancel and land.
Departing if in your op specs. and are able to depart under VFR and obtain your IFR clearance within 50nm of the airport, go for it.
11-07-2011, 02:41 PM
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OPSpec C077, which we fly under, requires you to use airport obstacle data (APG or back of a Jepp 10-9) for example. Legally operating 135 under OPSpec C077 you can't land or depart and airport without it. This is airport I had in question had none. The only way you would know it was there was by lat/long.
11-08-2011, 07:31 PM
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In addition to your dilemma, do you have authorized airport charts for the private airfield. Looking at the requirement you mentioned which is CO77 subpart E section 1, I wonder if airport obstacle data could be satisfied with a VFR chart. It just says you need the data not a procedure.
Last edited by Ziggy; 11-08-2011 at 07:50 PM.
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