David Puddy

Are these potential CJ4s or Phenom 300s for the U.S. or the European market or both?

FLC200

These are for the European market ONLY. Please remember Surf Air US and Europe are 2 separate entities. It's easy to confuse the 2. The US side is severely limited due to investor issues, while the European side has much greater potential for success. Hopefully the US side will be able to grow and not succumb to it's continued problems as attention is switching to SA Europe.

FLC200

The only way SA US will get small jets is if they use them for on demand ops only. The current model is only successful (almost?) with the economy afforded by the PC12. With their hardships in fulfilling PC12 orders I highly doubt they will ever be able to lease jet aircraft. Especially when you factor in the costs associated with maintenance and training. Another problem no one talks about is with growth in the US, where are they planning on putting all these airplanes? FBOs are already strained trying to accommodate the current fleet, adding any more is a big problem, especially at their main locations SQL and HHR.

Jet1337

While the claim that Europe and US are separate, the statement above about PC12 orders going to Europe contradicts that. "We're separate.... oh but we are going to take some of the pre-ordered cake...." Maybe it's just to appease Pilatus so aircraft are not sitting at their Denver facility. On-demand jet ops is feasible. We're already doing on-demand scheduled trips to select locations. If/when we get interstate, new markets open up. Let's just hope Santa Monica is smart about it.

San Jose is a huge untapped market (that management has acknowledged for some time) and would alleviate the SQL strain. Why the company hasn't shifted some SQL flights to SJC is mind boggling. Plenty of members do business in the south bay especially the inbound morning SBA crowd. Signature SJC is basically a ghost town and has nothing but potential to handle a steady Surf fleet. There has been talk of adding SJC-TRK this coming winter.

Operationally, SQL is going to be a major pain to get into this winter with the raised/NOTAMd RNAV mins. There will be many more diversions... to none other than SJC! Hell, Palo Alto should be considered at this point. A slightly shorter runway (2443) but it has 2 approaches that have slightly better minimums than the 'old' SQL RNAV-Z minimums. And Palo Alto is right in the middle of tech central and closer to where the members do business.

Kingfisher

For now street CA mins are 2000TT with ATP. internal uprades are 1500TT.

Get your app in and update. Still hiring into a pool and seeing attrition (mostly SoCal). A class is finishing up today. Another class starts Nov 28.

Griffin20

Good to know, thanks!

80knts

As a Southern California native and someone who is graduating soon I am very interested in SurfAir. I would love to be able to build time somewhat near home. I am in the process of finding a flight school and debating if I should stay in the midwest or go back to SoCal. It would be great to gather any info on SurfAir to help aid in my decision of where to aim my sights. If any SA pilots would be willing to discuss opportunities/advice I would love to listen. Looking forward to any replies or PMs. Thank you!

Jet1337

Right now, Surf is hiring only to cover attrition. We had quite a few pilots resign last year beginning in July through the end of the year. Classes were held in July, August, Nov and December. Apply and update every 2 to 3 weeks. Hiring into a pool continues.
The coming months will be interesting with lots of potential on the horizon.

Jet1337

Posted at bizjetjobs.com overnight. Ironically not posted at the company website. Will Europe finally get airborne? And now with PC-12s?

Jet1337

The March class was pushed up to next week Feb 13. At least another class will occur in March (previously April). Many resignations lately (mostly pilots off to the regionals) and internal upgrades about to happen. Keep those resumes updated and continue to update.