Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
03-31-2019, 07:34 AM
#3671
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 234
Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer
Southwest didn't survive in PHL, it's hard to believe Frontier has a better business model. Unlikely that tripling in size is sustainable at this point.
I don’t understand your point.
03-31-2019, 02:12 PM
#3673
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 761
Originally Posted by dash8trash
You mean the LOA that put the pilots at risk of losing non-rev travel privileges? Yeah, it needed to change and had been brought to the company’s attention more than once. All it takes is one pis$ed off non-rever to report you for a double listing and poof! No travel for you...
The hypocrisy of this forum is mind boggling. You have the majority of this pilot group willingly violating the contract to go below min days off for personal gain every month and yet you’re ****ed because a few FO’s waived 4 days off (for additional compensation) to complete an iPad study module?! GTFO. Passing up the opportunity for an upgrade is a very risky move in this industry and I’m glad these pilots have finally been given the opportunity to progress their careers. The company could’ve easily went the route of DEC’s and continued to screw those who’ve worked hard to keep this airline in business...
The hypocrisy of this forum is mind boggling. You have the majority of this pilot group willingly violating the contract to go below min days off for personal gain every month and yet you’re ****ed because a few FO’s waived 4 days off (for additional compensation) to complete an iPad study module?! GTFO. Passing up the opportunity for an upgrade is a very risky move in this industry and I’m glad these pilots have finally been given the opportunity to progress their careers. The company could’ve easily went the route of DEC’s and continued to screw those who’ve worked hard to keep this airline in business...
You guys don't understand how the contract works....
It is minimum protections. You are, under ALL situations, afforded the protection of the contract. If you want to waive that, that is your prerogative. Take your example of working yourself down to less than 11 days off (I assume that's what you're talking about here). You are totally allowed to do that. Your time is your time and what you do with it is your call. Have at it. But if you don't want to work more, and want your 11 days off, the company cannot make you work more. They cannot say that you will suffer consequences if you don't accept a day of triple premium that brings you down to 10 days off.
Yes, these FOs got paid premium for those days. Yes, most guys just want to go to class and get into that left seat. There is nothing wrong with them waiving their contractually guaranteed days off. The problem with this whole situation that you guys are failing to see, is that these FOs were essentially threatened into taking less than their contractually obligated 4 days off. The company threatened it and the union was not only complicit, but accomplices in the act.
Waive your four days off, get paid premium for them, go to upgrade. Feel free to say no, but you'll have a withdrawal from training on your record. This is an extremely important distinction.
03-31-2019, 02:46 PM
#3674
Where is my weekends off?
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 317
Originally Posted by MantisToboggan
You guys don't understand how the contract works....
It is minimum protections. You are, under ALL situations, afforded the protection of the contract. If you want to waive that, that is your prerogative. Take your example of working yourself down to less than 11 days off (I assume that's what you're talking about here). You are totally allowed to do that. Your time is your time and what you do with it is your call. Have at it. But if you don't want to work more, and want your 11 days off, the company cannot make you work more. They cannot say that you will suffer consequences if you don't accept a day of triple premium that brings you down to 10 days off.
Yes, these FOs got paid premium for those days. Yes, most guys just want to go to class and get into that left seat. There is nothing wrong with them waiving their contractually guaranteed days off. The problem with this whole situation that you guys are failing to see, is that these FOs were essentially threatened into taking less than their contractually obligated 4 days off. The company threatened it and the union was not only complicit, but accomplices in the act.
Waive your four days off, get paid premium for them, go to upgrade. Feel free to say no, but you'll have a withdrawal from training on your record. This is an extremely important distinction.
It is minimum protections. You are, under ALL situations, afforded the protection of the contract. If you want to waive that, that is your prerogative. Take your example of working yourself down to less than 11 days off (I assume that's what you're talking about here). You are totally allowed to do that. Your time is your time and what you do with it is your call. Have at it. But if you don't want to work more, and want your 11 days off, the company cannot make you work more. They cannot say that you will suffer consequences if you don't accept a day of triple premium that brings you down to 10 days off.
Yes, these FOs got paid premium for those days. Yes, most guys just want to go to class and get into that left seat. There is nothing wrong with them waiving their contractually guaranteed days off. The problem with this whole situation that you guys are failing to see, is that these FOs were essentially threatened into taking less than their contractually obligated 4 days off. The company threatened it and the union was not only complicit, but accomplices in the act.
Waive your four days off, get paid premium for them, go to upgrade. Feel free to say no, but you'll have a withdrawal from training on your record. This is an extremely important distinction.
03-31-2019, 02:49 PM
#3675
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 61
Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer
Southwest didn't survive in PHL, it's hard to believe Frontier has a better business model. Unlikely that tripling in size is sustainable at this point.
How many Piedmont pilots have recently been hired by Spirit or F9, or anyone else? Frontier almost has to poach regional pilots to staff their new Airbus arrivals. A lot of military guys won't go or won't be hired because they will move on to Legacies.
03-31-2019, 02:56 PM
#3676
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 761
Originally Posted by Outof410
That is not the story though. It was a misunderstanding as previously stated by someone in prior pages. Have you talked to any of the 4 FO’s to confirm this?
You think the union blasted out an email to the entire pilot group for an APC rumor with no teeth?? I don’t believe BF threatened but I believe he stated it as a matter of fact or said “they might count this as a withdrawal from training”, rather than having their back. That’s the way they operate here.
03-31-2019, 02:58 PM
#3677
Where is my weekends off?
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 317
Originally Posted by MantisToboggan
Yes, have you?
You think the union blasted out an email to the entire pilot group for an APC rumor with no teeth?? I don’t believe BF threatened but I believe he stated it as a matter of fact, rather than having their back. That’s the way they operate here
You think the union blasted out an email to the entire pilot group for an APC rumor with no teeth?? I don’t believe BF threatened but I believe he stated it as a matter of fact, rather than having their back. That’s the way they operate here
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03-31-2019, 03:53 PM
#3679
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 361
The BF email said:
"I had made one reference during my talks with the first officers that I wished to research the contract to confirm how this could possibly be considered by the Company."
...
"Before I had an answer, all four had responded in the affirmative."
...
"In follow-up calls with the Company I did bring this up just for a general discussion and it was agreed that a pilot not accepting this offer would not have considered it a withdrawal"
Sounds to me like something got lost in translation, everyone jumped the gun, someone freaked out on APC, and now everyone is CYA.
"I had made one reference during my talks with the first officers that I wished to research the contract to confirm how this could possibly be considered by the Company."
...
"Before I had an answer, all four had responded in the affirmative."
...
"In follow-up calls with the Company I did bring this up just for a general discussion and it was agreed that a pilot not accepting this offer would not have considered it a withdrawal"
Sounds to me like something got lost in translation, everyone jumped the gun, someone freaked out on APC, and now everyone is CYA.
03-31-2019, 06:07 PM
#3680
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 133
Originally Posted by MantisToboggan
Doesn’t change the fact that he was arguing that the unverified account was totally fine by him. The assertion that picking up open time is a contract violation is silly
In regards to the upgrade fiasco - the whole thing was completely voluntary and there was no threat of a training withdrawal. That claim was 100% false. We would’ve had a serious problem on our hands IF that had been the case, but it was simply not true. FWIW the company did end up providing the study days after it was all said and done...
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