Thedude86

Air Wisconsin is pretty much the same size as piedmont except better staffed. The stations that lost flights and RONs were probably part of the plan. I doubt American was caught off guard losing flights to certain stations. As much as American drives me crazy with the way they run things, they’re still a huge multi billion dollar company. I’m sure they knew exactly who would gain flights and who would lose them months before Air Wisconsin disappeared.

I believe pay raises are coming to you guys and probably to Envoy. I just don’t think any of us 3 WOs are in the market for Endeavor level pay or QOL. As long as flow exists we will never have what the other regionals have.

Jackson28

And that preconditioned thinking is why we can't have nice things!

Wake up and smell the alfa alfa, I don't think an 8-9 year flow for new hires is hardly anything to write home and has no monetary value.

So why would you not want the same pay and QOL as the other Regionals ... as a matter of fact, Endeavor rates are 2 years old, you should want more as cost of living keeps going up ...

MantisToboggan

Because because because the flow! Flow = acceptance of sub par working conditions. Can’t have both, because we aren’t worth it. And AA can’t afford it- need to leave some meat on the bones for Parker after F and H gets a hold of it. We should all just be happy we have a job. Even if it pays less than ALL of our peers and keeps us away from home more than ALL of our peers and allows them to abuse and extend us more than ALL of our peers and .......

Amazing how some went from saying the union isn’t doing enough to fight for us, to saying we’ll accept less than what they’re demanding. Thankfully this group is in the very small minority. Rest of us know our worth. I would rather see this place shut down and all of our management out of jobs than accept a sub par improvement in pay and no improvement in quality of life that would hurt the industry as a whole. Would also hurt our brothers and sisters at envoy.

evrbodysmugglin

Amen sir. See you at the shutdown party

Flyinguy

Are you kidding me? What time are you living in? This isn’t some contractual TA where we have to give a little to get a little.

They want to stop people leaving in mass and get people to come. They came to US! We are not going to have to give anything up.

The counter just means we asked for an amount, and they are countering it with less than we asked. There is no way they are stupid enough to actually ask for a concession from us. They need this place to look more appealing than it does now. You don’t get greater appeal by making it worse or breaking even, or slightly better. Both to applicants, and to those that have been here less than 2 years or they are going to not get any more applicants and are going to lose 250 more pilots.

AAG was bitter enough at F9 from just potentially taking 30 of our pilots that they ended jump seat agreement. If AAG does that for losing 30ish pilots, how are they going to manage to lose 725 of them?


Who exactly do you know?

Surely you aren't friends of PDT management, because you aren't helping them in the least. If this company merges, or goes away, what are they going to put on their resume? "I was management for a company that started in 1948 and survived many mergers and grew from nothing and survived 9/11, then when the aviation business was booming at unprecedented levels... we managed to run it into the ground". Sounds like a fantastic resume...

This is a PDT vs. AAG if anything. This is not a management vs. pilots. If we (pilots) merge, we all have jobs at a better paying, higher quality of life place. Or we dissolve, we get a job at an even better paying higher quality of life place and maybe end up at a legacy sooner than we would have flowed anyway.
If we merge, upper management does not have a job waiting for them, and they are screwing a bunch of schedulers and dispatchers out of a job, that had little to do with this.


I hope if you are a friend of upper management, you try to talk some sense into them. If they want to keep their jobs, they better fight for the pilots. Better for us = better for them. Worse for us = unemployment line.

Theaveragejoker

Last conversation I had with a manager got on the subject of possible mergers. He said AA doesn’t want another Comair. It sounded like a coached answer.

buddies8

First, nmb wont allow strike, why because nmb is bought off through elections. Second, a strike authorization by nmb will take minimum 6-7 years to get to the discussion point.
Third, comair statements by management, is just fear tactics.
It has the opposite effect than what management expects. Pilots get pis sed off.
Also, eagle was one company for 17+ years and that was not a problem for amr, so just more mgt b.s..

MantisToboggan

This whole merger conversation is merely a scare tactic. They’re trying to get us to bite on a sub-par deal out of fear. You know how much work it was to transfer all these 145s to piedmont? Open new bases? Improve MOC infrastructure, implement electronic W&B, buy and implement new sims? They didn’t do this to shutter Piedmont 2 years into the process. Don’t kid yourself.

It’s an F&H lie designed to spread fear of retaliation if we don’t take the money and shut up. Stop helping their cause. Mr glass would be proud of y’all if he read this! Matter of fact, I’m fairly certain he does....

Heavy Hive

If anyone in management pushes a merger on you, I would immediately explore dumping ALPA for another Union, possibly Teamsters. Not that they are the best, but you need to push back hard on their plans. It will tie things up for far longer than AA wants. You might even want to get Envoy in on the deal if you can so you can take as much control back as you can.

Lahey

Hit em w a full send

Need the union to stick to what the pilot group wants, and it certainly isn’t nominal pay increases with the same QOL.

I know things are a bit slower on the eastern shore...but it’s been long enough. Enough with the BS excuses, “We can’t do that, we can’t do that, we can’t do that, leg lengths, hub routes, we can’t do that”

What an attitude to have to keep up with the demands of the industry! Writing is on the wall, it has been for a long time, this isn’t rocket science. Fix the problems and let’s get the momentum moving back in the same direction as the rest of the industry.