Piedmonts new pay raise
12-05-2019, 03:37 PM
#101
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Piedmonts new pay raise
Originally Posted by Theaveragejoker
Remember when we said taking the money would make us happier.
Remember when we were talking about how we were going to get to vote on taking the money or not?
Good times.
Remember when we were talking about how we were going to get to vote on taking the money or not?
Good times.
It was the right thing to do and we all have more money for it.
And had we not took the raises, we would have not only lost all that money, but we would still be ‘negotiating’ with a brick wall convinced that a slight hourly increase would fix it all.
Our leverage was bleeding pilots....we still are. We have the same if not more leverage now. Because we can say “I told a few $/h (even $10) wasn’t going to help r&r (recruiting and retention)”
If management wants to keep their jobs, they need to open up talks again.....or open up ‘listens’ this time.
AA isn’t going to let them be this understaffed (and shrinking) this summer. They will either find new management that will negotiate, or merge us. But they can’t allow us to continue to bleed like this and it’s only going to get worse...
12-05-2019, 05:55 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by Theaveragejoker
Remember when we said taking the money would make us happier.
Remember when we were talking about how we were going to get to vote on taking the money or not?
Good times.
Remember when we were talking about how we were going to get to vote on taking the money or not?
Good times.
I'm glad we have higher hourly rates. A lot of improvements still need to be made but it will be hard to do that when the company has zero contractual obligation to negotiate.
We are pretty well staffed on both sides at this point. If attrition continues to pick up and we continue to have trouble hiring then the tune may change. But right now, we have enough pilots for the jets we have on property. Gone are the days of seeing TPL PRM being offered every single day.
12-05-2019, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by flybywp
Ask Envoy how it worked out for them when they fought back. Go read the letter to their pilot group about the failed AIP.
I'm glad we have higher hourly rates. A lot of improvements still need to be made but it will be hard to do that when the company has zero contractual obligation to negotiate.
We are pretty well staffed on both sides at this point. If attrition continues to pick up and we continue to have trouble hiring then the tune may change. But right now, we have enough pilots for the jets we have on property. Gone are the days of seeing TPL PRM being offered every single day.
I'm glad we have higher hourly rates. A lot of improvements still need to be made but it will be hard to do that when the company has zero contractual obligation to negotiate.
We are pretty well staffed on both sides at this point. If attrition continues to pick up and we continue to have trouble hiring then the tune may change. But right now, we have enough pilots for the jets we have on property. Gone are the days of seeing TPL PRM being offered every single day.
The pilots of Americans WO certainly have a great deal of leverage.
12-05-2019, 07:16 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by flybywp
Ask Envoy how it worked out for them when they fought back. Go read the letter to their pilot group about the failed AIP.
I'm glad we have higher hourly rates. A lot of improvements still need to be made but it will be hard to do that when the company has zero contractual obligation to negotiate.
We are pretty well staffed on both sides at this point. If attrition continues to pick up and we continue to have trouble hiring then the tune may change. But right now, we have enough pilots for the jets we have on property. Gone are the days of seeing TPL PRM being offered every single day.
I'm glad we have higher hourly rates. A lot of improvements still need to be made but it will be hard to do that when the company has zero contractual obligation to negotiate.
We are pretty well staffed on both sides at this point. If attrition continues to pick up and we continue to have trouble hiring then the tune may change. But right now, we have enough pilots for the jets we have on property. Gone are the days of seeing TPL PRM being offered every single day.
After the failed AIP, even with less on the table, they STILL got an increase in flow AND long call reserve AND the payrates.
12-06-2019, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sobo
Ask Envoy about it?
After the failed AIP, even with less on the table, they STILL got an increase in flow AND long call reserve AND the payrates.
After the failed AIP, even with less on the table, they STILL got an increase in flow AND long call reserve AND the payrates.
12-06-2019, 03:48 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by flybywp
Ask Envoy how it worked out for them when they fought back. Go read the letter to their pilot group about the failed AIP.
I'm glad we have higher hourly rates. A lot of improvements still need to be made but it will be hard to do that when the company has zero contractual obligation to negotiate.
We are pretty well staffed on both sides at this point. If attrition continues to pick up and we continue to have trouble hiring then the tune may change. But right now, we have enough pilots for the jets we have on property. Gone are the days of seeing TPL PRM being offered every single day.
I'm glad we have higher hourly rates. A lot of improvements still need to be made but it will be hard to do that when the company has zero contractual obligation to negotiate.
We are pretty well staffed on both sides at this point. If attrition continues to pick up and we continue to have trouble hiring then the tune may change. But right now, we have enough pilots for the jets we have on property. Gone are the days of seeing TPL PRM being offered every single day.
12-06-2019, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CADR
We are pretty well staffed for winter which is reduced flying. Summer is a whole different ball game. Most of us are looking down the road (something PDT MNGMT does not do) and see that based on attrition and their struggle to offer anything and attract new hires, summer will be a nightmare in terms of being "well-staffed". I mean even right now, RSV pilots are being used to cover full 4-day trips - that's not "well-staffed" in my book.
12-06-2019, 07:58 AM
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They are well staffed when limo, "yellow cab" rides stop. They are well staffed when go home extensions and junior mans stopped. They are well staffed when training displacements to new flying stop.
They are well staffed when your crew cards are just a suggestion of what your actual flying well be.
This company is very creative in using its resources inefficiently and working you to the breaking point.
They are well staffed when your crew cards are just a suggestion of what your actual flying well be.
This company is very creative in using its resources inefficiently and working you to the breaking point.
12-06-2019, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
They are well staffed when limo, "yellow cab" rides stop. They are well staffed when go home extensions and junior mans stopped. They are well staffed when training displacements to new flying stop.
They are well staffed when your crew cards are just a suggestion of what your actual flying well be.
This company is very creative in using its resources inefficiently and working you to the breaking point.
They are well staffed when your crew cards are just a suggestion of what your actual flying well be.
This company is very creative in using its resources inefficiently and working you to the breaking point.
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