It’s a little unfair to compare a section VI negotiation where the company has to bargain in good faith with the association until an agreement is made versus a mid-term negotiation where we basically are in a one and done situation.

Ok I’ll play. Who is it unfair too??

Ultimately the pilot group, but its something we signed up for when loa 19 was agreed upon.

It’s also something we signed up for when we agreed to a contract with an amendable date of 2024.

We gave up some things in LOA 19 the newer folks may not realize. Insurance costs, vacation and sick time accruals, pay caps, etc. Hell when I started it was under 200 for insurance a month for wifey and I. Now it's like 340.

Five
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We are full because we have a huge recruiting department. Their budget is huge... Now that the rtp program is doa, that is going to kill classes.. yes we have allot of cadets...

Interesting times ahead!

What happened with the rtp?

Maybe referring to the post 9/11 GI Bill cap that reduces the amount of money 141s can charge against it which was just put into law.That would put a financial squeeze on many likely candidates. That said I am sure some enterprising businesss man will get into the “loan” business to fill the gap if the airlines do not pick up anymore of the tab.

RTP was killed in order to fund the DEC “program” aka the huge bonus.

I know of a few people that lost hope when this TA was announced and are now leaving PDT..

Well, between attracting DECs or attracting rotor wing guys with 250 hours of fixed wing experience, I'd rather see DECs come on board. Thanks for the info.

Anyone go to the roadshow today? Anything said we won’t all ready know?

Bloodbath i heard.. I'm going to tryto get to ome of them...

How much was the captain increase with this TA? The ALPA news letter said “modest increase”. I’m interested to know what they deem modest.

Is there a bullet point list of what's in the TA?

Basically Envoy CA rates. Besides year 1 and 2 it’s not much of an increase at all. Just compare what’s listed on this sites airline profiles.

Your negotiators were served by Lyle Hogg via F&H Solutions. Just as I warned you they would. Lyle and Jerry Glass of F&H were pros at dividing the USAir pilots for years. Glass got the pension and brought about the worst airline contract in history. They would love to get another notch in their belt with Piedmont.Jerry still on retainer at AA because Parker saw how easily Jerry crushes pilot negotiators.
Next time you pass a AA/ USAir pilot, bring up Jerry.
If you have any sense, in this day of pilot shortages, you will continue to kick their sub standard offers to the curb.$hitcanning the negotiators who brought you the deal is your first step.

According to the email today. October lines will have a new form of line building for efficiency etc..... if they can do that at will. Then why on earth would we vote for the concessions?

Really. Future negotiations? I’m weary of all the back room deals our brothers from MDT are blessing us with. What future deals? I thought negotiations were finished, over, kaput. Just a little sign here and a prince will transfer all the funds into your account. Trust us even though the company has not dealt in good faith EVER.

Nope!

No vote from me. Just on principle alone

This whole "a no vote will hurt company union relations, so keep that in mind for future progress" is to the far end of the BS scale. And not on the good side.

Screw em. They gave us a horrible deal. Not our problem!

"negotiators" is a stretch. That implies that they fight back, counter offer, etc

Rollover! Good boy!

I’m not voting yes for a bad TA in hopes of potential gains in the future.

Ditto/Same/Agreed

They can find another way to make improvements without this garbage.

Voting is open. Mine was cast. If you don’t vote. Don’t complain.

No matter how this turns out we need to be united with the results in our struggle for gains

New TA is out.
 

I though there was going to be a fire during that conference call, as hard/fast as they were trying to polish that turd. [emoji849]

The TA clearly needs to be voted against.
The company SHOULD be paying BL for doing their job for them, better than they can. He is making pilots life slightly better and saving the company money, i.e more efficient scheduling.

But instead, they want to sell THAT to us as a benefit? And then ‘balance’ that benefit out with concessions?
They are going to have BL do their job for free regardless of the TA passing.

If that 5h JM isn’t a big deal, then why did the company want it?

Company originally wanted 6 hours.. let's be honest.. this company wants to run by junior mans and extensions instead of properly staffed.

If they ever get the training department figured out staffing wouldn’t be an issue.

The directive from management to scheduling is to try and use extensions and jrm as much as possible. Triple premium is to be avoided at all costs and requires director level approval.

As far as training? The are 30 more CA slot that just opened up in the current bid.... plus we are losing critical instructors right now and soe right now.

My entire time at PDT I have heard that proper staffing is right around the corner, and that the training backlog is being worked through. That backlog existed through the end of the Dash program, and has existed on the 145 since the programs conception. I came over early, and I sat for a long time. That has not changed.


Kinda like a desert where you see that "pool of water" mirage. Hate to break it to ya, there's no water. It's just more balls hot desert ahead.

Couple people from my class only had a 2 week wait for sims and others are going on 6 weeks and still waiting.

After systems, sure. How about indoc? All in all the process is LONG

My sim partner did Indoc in March and late June systems. So he’ll be close to the 6 month mark when it’s all said and done. Assuming we start in a week or so.

Training dept is short staffed bc whoever is the person that releases hired instructors off the line won’t bc the line is short. It’s a big cycle that won’t break until they bend and give the training dept more guys.

I’ll be waiting over a week for MV and will likely need an AD. The delays just keep adding on and on and on and on

Even if it is 6 months, that’s still ridiculous. Should be no more than 3 months to get someone through everything and on the line.

This stuff is what’s mind blowing to me. I somewhat understand waiting to start sims but once someone starts they should go straight through with only required days off. No idea how they expect people to excel in training when it’s so broken up. Never heard of a company making people go a week or more between sim sessions.

You’ve been here three months.... almost. Tell oh sage of all things airline. How should we fix it?

We have doubled in size in two years. Added an entirely new to us fleet type.
Opened facilities for training in two more cities.
Lost an average of 8 pilots/month.
Delivered 50 aircraft
Shut down a fleet

All from a 1970s wood paneled airplane hangar outside a chicken farm

Aaaaand you have to wait for sims for a couple weeks while being paid as a captain from day one with a yuuge wad of cash in your pocket. ****

You know we are slotted for only 60ish Jets right? RSV much? It’s a special kind of he— here. Enjoy

For starters they should pair up captains in the sims if they’re so short captains on the line. Double the output of captains that way until staffing is a little more equal.

Welcome to Piedmont.. the best mistake of your life...

And then pair up FOs?

Have you ever seen the hot mess that is?

Is that fair for them? Two helo pilots or two riddle rubes? Or a 121 FO with one of the above. Might as well upgrade the FO with the work they have to put in

They can't because unlike the dash, captains aren't right seat qual'd and thus don't know the f/o flows.

We did it at Envoy. Instructor would help make sure all the items on a flow were complete for the opposite seat and we weren’t graded on them.