I was in a May Indoc class with PDT. Didn't have a great experience at all for indoc, lots of one person saying this, another person says that ,no communication from the company and phone calls from a CP when you asked training too many times for an update. The TA was the icing on the cake for A LOT of people.

Left for Republic and it's been night and day.

Wow, no words. You call training for an update since the Company can not communicate for sh*t, and you get a call from a CP. They make you the bad guy since you have no idea when you’ll come back. What a clown show. Good luck at Republic. I’m sure you’ll have a much better QOL.

Zero Response. Mind you, this happened to a bunch of us in the class.

Not to play the whole drink the koolaid game because at the end of the day, a regional is a regional, but for comparison, at RJET we had our schedules before we even showed up to indoc, including the delay. They even told us "this will change once you get to sims" but the fact that they at least gave us and idea, and have been so transparent has been really great. (Our iPads have slack so we are in constant communication with each of the training directors and instructors.)

Piedmont has a really great pilot group that has done a lot for the company and they all deserve better leadership and a company who is ready to leave the 1980's behind.

Do you have the limitation that allows for monentary deviations? Or...use flaps 22, it’s much better. I do one flaps 45 landing a sequence or if the runway dictates it such as DBQ.

Well as usual here at PDT it isn't in limitations section but up to 155 knots momentary is listed in the Approach-Landing-Go Around section. Chapter 8. Section 1.1. Table X-1. So I'm not writing anything up until that section is amended or clarified. End rant.

This involves piedmont.. faa.. and embrear... this is a big deal right now... this may have major implications for our management..

Big push at Piedmont in the last 18 months to make flaps 45 Standard except where flaps 22 is required for operational considerations...

Management is coated in Teflon. Nothing has happened or will happen to them. Quit getting your hopes up, and everyone else’s for that matter.

Yes they are... we will see..

Do you think that it’s driven by the newness of the fleet to PDT and the relative inexperience of management? I’ve ridden your jumpseat a a few times and most of the captains were annoyed with flaps 45 and the f/o’s didn’t know anything different. It’s kind of funny how two sister companies fly the airplane so differently, but I guess we’ll pick one way or the other when AAG merges us. 😜

FL22 gang here.

It’s easy to say FL22 is the way to go, until you run a landing data request through ACARS with FL22 and RC5 and all of a sudden you need a 7800 foot piece of pavement to land on. Wind credit you say? Yeah, that never makes up the 3000 foot difference between FL45 and FL22. I believe this was by design.

Not only is it a cultural push to be a FL45 company at PDT, management is forcing our hand with the new RC code implementation.

It is a culture of confusion. Conflicting information in the manuals, which the FAA and company all sign off on (supposedly). Meanwhile, other operators have different criteria...I have read 5 knots is the buffer at Envoy...what is it at TSA/Expressjet/Commutair/VIA Air? We are terrible at benchmarking anything around here. Is it Embraer or FAA that has an issue? I need more clarification than a vague FIL (with no supporting info) and an unofficial Facebook group posting.

I agree 110% with you. That being said, the unoffical facebook group posting is a screen of the Chief Pilot responding to the emailed question regarding momentary deviations above 145KT. Knowing our company, that’s as official as it gets LOL.

LOL. You really can't make this stuff up. 😳

I think many of Piedmont’s current issues are typical when theres a new aircraft on property and folks are forced to re-invent flying it.

Merger... hah... sure long as SLI is straight DOH (and then by age on dates where the two groups have the same dates of hire) so I can hold 175 DFW and be one of them real jet pilots ;). Irving is very cosmopolitan...

Doh by seat haha. Would be a very interesting SLI merge considering both companies have a lot of DEC’s

Bahahaha the lifers will never let that happen.

Piedmont would have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they just hit copy and paste from Envoy manuals. It’s not like we’re reinventing the wheel here flying a 20 year old RJ.

We did, revision 1 though. Needed the latest revision, didn’t get that from Envoy.

Unfortunately this. Tons of valuable shared experience wasted. I remember early on it was also a struggle to get certain MX records. One day we had a question about a preflight inspection item and MX response was "we aren't sure, still waiting on complete engine records from Envoy." I understand the jaded animousity, but it put us in a bit of a spot.

One of the basics tenants of any SLI is no leapfrogging within a list. At the constructive date of the merger a snapshot of lists is taken. Each list is then stovepiped placing each pilot in the highest paying seat their seniority will hold on a constructive basis. Those lists are then used in the actual SLI integration. DEC pilots would be slotted no differently than if they were hired as copilots. Every merger I am aware of starts with the above as the first step so DEC pilots present no obstacle.

Our current seniority list isn't even by straight DOH. Anyone hired after 2011 could be done straight DOH but those 80s and 90s guys are all jumbled up.

Even though PDTs TA was “the best that could be done” because “the industry doesn’t support pay increases at this time”, the non-union Student Council at Skywest got $14.50/hr increase on the FO side and $8-10/hr above the best rates the Union could negotiate upto on the Captain Side... all without a plethora of concessions.

By 2022, they’ll be almost $17/hr ahead on the FO side and $15/hr on the CA side in pay rates alone.

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With this TA from Skywest and XJTs new passed TA, it Looks like the AA Wholly Owned regionals are officially rock bottom in the industry pay wise... standby for the recruitment team to struggle to fill single digit new hire classes again like they did in the 2015/2016 timeframe.

The cycle continues. When we can’t fill classes anymore, the wholly owned’s will increase the pay rate or new hire bonus. Then we’ll be the place to go again

Yes there will be about a 6-9 month lag from when expressjet and Skywest’s TA take effect. Then we may see AAG relent.

But but we have an industry leading flow....:rolleyes:

Well, the union is meeting with the company tomorrow...

Probably gonna get them endeavor rates now I bet, plus a 200% increase in flow.

Piedmont's flow will be at 10/month by 2023- mark my words. Laugh and make fun if you want...

Going to get E-175 options as well.

It's already in our contract.

More likely the MEC will team up with the company and eliminate triple premium all together and flow will stay the same 😉.

Def voted yes

Was just reading through Expressjet's TA. Substantial pay raises, holiday pay, improved retirement contributions, etc. 90% voted yes. These are the kind of improvements we should be seeing.

Release #: XJT 18.02
September 27, 2018

ExpressJet Pilots Vote to Ratify New Collective Bargaining Agreement

WASHINGTON, D.C.—The pilots of ExpressJet Airlines, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA) have ratified a new three-year contract that includes the market-rate wages, stronger job security, and enhanced work rules sought by the pilots. Of the 87 percent of ExpressJet pilots who voted, 90 percent voted in favor of the deal.

“Going into negotiations for Contract 2018, we used input from pilots, survey data and pilot representatives to identify our primary objectives and strategy,” said First Officer Joe Mauro, chairman of the ExpressJet ALPA Master Executive Council. “Our overriding objectives therefore were to improve quality of life by enhancing our already industry-leading work rules, maintain our current robust benefit structure, and increase our compensation to levels that are more in line with the industry and commensurate with our level of operational performance.”

The combined effect of the increased pay rates and an earned quarterly override payment is approximately $14,000 to $15,000 of additional annual compensation for every pilot, placing ExpressJet pilots near the top of the regional industry.

“This contract recognizes the continued dedication and professionalism of ExpressJet pilots and provides management with the financial foundation to support future growth with the addition of dual-class aircraft,” said Mauro. “Everything in this contract was negotiated with a written contingency that guarantees that we will immediately return to negotiations if United Airlines does not award at least 20 70-seat EMB175s to ExpressJet by January 2019. That contingency also mandates that we continue working under the gains we achieved in contract.”

Flying as United Express, ExpressJet is based in College Park, Ga., and is a wholly-owned subsidiary of SkyWest, Inc.

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing more than 60,000 pilots at 34 airlines in the United States and Canada, including the nearly 1,100 pilots at ExpressJet. Visit the ALPA website at alpa.org or follow us on Twitter @WeAreALPA.

Hearing from the XJet forum that this was their "pass it or we shut you down" contract as well. Which makes ours look even worse in comparison given that we are supposedly doing well.

The non union TA really put ALPA negotiated efforts to shame... ALPA could just refund the pilot group their dues paid and the pilots would get most of the pay raise they were able to negotiate in exhange for concessions...

Apparently the Piedmont TA votedown was noticed... heard from multiple sources that the company came back to the union to ask what it would have taken to get a yes vote...

The problem going forward will be the PSA pilot group selling their souls. Hopefully they don’t cave for crumbs going forward.

All three WO’s are tied at the hip for negotiating.

Huh? We’re just as frustrated with our current situation over here at PSA. I have a hard, “line in the sand” for what I would vote yes or no on given what I know right now. But things have been changing seemingly month by month so we’ll see what happens when the time comes... which consequently won’t be until summer 2019 at the earliest.

this is such old nonsense at this point the PSA group that voted in garbage for the rest of us is essentially gone. we are flowing 2011 new hires here, by this winter 2013 hires will be going. think about it, the 2012 people who could vote will be gone before december then we have maybe 50 lifers here. there is 1850ish pilots here now opposed to the 480 back in 2013.

if your insinuation is that the newer people who had nothing to do with that vote are going to vote garbage in then we need to watch all three of the HOs by that logic.