Sleep Apnea-new FAA Guidelines - be prepared!
03-18-2015, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Any AME that sends a bunch of his customers to get 'screened' for this needs to be put out of business. If you've read anything from Dr Tilton, you'll see that they're expecting ~90% of pilots to have sleep apnea. And that includes the pilots that look like they've just been liberated from Auschwitz. So just because you're skinny doesn't mean that you won't eventually be a target of this silliness.
'Specialists' such as the OP will likely find 100% of 'fatties' have OSA. The FAA's going to take that information and continue to tighten the standards until 'specialists' like the OP have lined their pockets with every pilot's money. Because they're going to find that every single pilot has OSA, based on their screening criteria.
'Specialists' such as the OP will likely find 100% of 'fatties' have OSA. The FAA's going to take that information and continue to tighten the standards until 'specialists' like the OP have lined their pockets with every pilot's money. Because they're going to find that every single pilot has OSA, based on their screening criteria.
Oh and while we're at it, go to sleep in some perv's office while he watches you all night with a million wires and cameras hooked up to you knowing all the while that if you don't sleep perfectly it goes in your permanent record but hey, we have to keep our babies safe!
Idiots.
03-18-2015, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Let's take this 'waking up every 30-40 seconds' to the next silliness. Any pilot who has a colicky child should be required to stay in a hotel room so that they can get uninterrupted sleep.
No pilot can stay at any hotel that does not have totally soundproof rooms so that they get undisturbed sleep.
No pilot should be permitted to consume alcohol because it's been proven to disrupt your sleep. All pilots will be required to take antabuse.
Ah, the Big Brother silliness. George Orwell was just a couple of decades too early. I'm trying to shop for a top loading washer - thanks to .gov regulations, it's impossible to find one that gets your clothes clean. Thanks, Big Brother.
More regulations to fix nonexistent problems is always a good idea. In a totalitarian society. And anyone who favors this OSA silliness is getting the government that they deserve.
No pilot can stay at any hotel that does not have totally soundproof rooms so that they get undisturbed sleep.
No pilot should be permitted to consume alcohol because it's been proven to disrupt your sleep. All pilots will be required to take antabuse.
Ah, the Big Brother silliness. George Orwell was just a couple of decades too early. I'm trying to shop for a top loading washer - thanks to .gov regulations, it's impossible to find one that gets your clothes clean. Thanks, Big Brother.
More regulations to fix nonexistent problems is always a good idea. In a totalitarian society. And anyone who favors this OSA silliness is getting the government that they deserve.
Prior to kids I slept 7-8 hours per night, could go longer. Then kids. 3 hours of interrupted sleep was a dream that was flat out unachievable for almost 4 years. Now I wake up ready to go after 6 hours whether I am at home or on the road.
Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to have kids and fly. Maybe you just shouldn't be allowed to fly ever,for any reason, it's just not safe.
03-18-2015, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Exactly.
Oh and while we're at it, go to sleep in some perv's office while he watches you all night with a million wires and cameras hooked up to you knowing all the while that if you don't sleep perfectly it goes in your permanent record but hey, we have to keep our babies safe!
Idiots.
Oh and while we're at it, go to sleep in some perv's office while he watches you all night with a million wires and cameras hooked up to you knowing all the while that if you don't sleep perfectly it goes in your permanent record but hey, we have to keep our babies safe!
Idiots.
Again, 40 bmi is a starting point but the goal is to test every pilot regardless of bmi. Theyll be happy to have a fat lazy but osa free guy with a bmi of 42 flying while an osa guy with bmi 23 and a great marathon time is grounded. Anyone who thinks this is about weight or health is asleep at the wheel and will be caught off guard and shocked at the FAAs solutions.
03-19-2015, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Sounds to me that dr tilton owns stock in a chain of sleep clinics.
Or be amended. Maybe you should be given a medical while you find and then continue your treatment?
And especially while the FAA figures out how they actually want this treated. I think the first moment I heard of this I thought like others this was about bmi and having a healthy bmi, but the moment they said losing weight was not a faa approved solution then it became apparent their focus is not on flight safety or health but rather surgeries. Even if those surgeries have not proven themselves to be an effective solution. For some weight loss is a solution, for some it's not but I doubt removing parts of your throat (in some cases) is wise.
But of course this is the faa that requires me to wear glasses with a combined vision of 20/15.
03-19-2015, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Again, 40 bmi is a starting point but the goal is to test every pilot regardless of bmi. Theyll be happy to have a fat lazy but osa free guy with a bmi of 42 flying while an osa guy with bmi 23 and a great marathon time is grounded. Anyone who thinks this is about weight or health is asleep at the wheel and will be caught off guard and shocked at the FAAs solutions.
If these guys think that OSA is such a problem, they should demand that every FAA employee be subjected to OSA testing. But they're not doing that.
03-19-2015, 10:23 AM
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So where is all the FAA research on accidents which shows how much more likely a pilot with a BMI over 40 is to have an accident, vs. a pilot with a BMI under 40, or 35, or 30?
It's total crap and typical FAA nonsense, trying yet again to find a cure (at your expense) for a problem that doesn't exist!
Where is the evidence that OSA has been the cause of any accident?
It's total crap and typical FAA nonsense, trying yet again to find a cure (at your expense) for a problem that doesn't exist!
Where is the evidence that OSA has been the cause of any accident?
03-19-2015, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
So where is all the FAA research on accidents which shows how much more likely a pilot with a BMI over 40 is to have an accident, vs. a pilot with a BMI under 40, or 35, or 30?
It's total crap and typical FAA nonsense, trying yet again to find a cure (at your expense) for a problem that doesn't exist!
Where is the evidence that OSA has been the cause of any accident?
It's total crap and typical FAA nonsense, trying yet again to find a cure (at your expense) for a problem that doesn't exist!
Where is the evidence that OSA has been the cause of any accident?
03-19-2015, 01:39 PM
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There's more money in the treatment than in the cure, of course.
Create a problem, then charge your insurance company through the nose to treat it!
It's quite a racket.
Create a problem, then charge your insurance company through the nose to treat it!
It's quite a racket.
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