Sleep Apnea-new FAA Guidelines - be prepared!
03-16-2015 | 09:50 AM
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03-16-2015 | 11:17 AM
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And again: Did this have anything to do with a sleep disorder?
My current employer is showing zero concern with sleep patterns and circadian rhythm. We commonly have pairings with an 0700 show, one 2:30 leg, 12 hours of daytime rest followed by a 4 hour red eye followed by another 12 hours rest with a late afternoon show and 2 legs ending at 2200. 10 hours 1 minute on the ground followed by an early morning show on Day 4 with 3 legs and 7:30 flight time.
It's all legal per Part 117. Early morning, sleep in the day, red eye, sleep in the morning, late evening flying, short night, early morning, long Day 4.
Throw in a few nights in the lowest-cost-bidder hotels just to add to the fun. And if I'm fatigued on Day 4 it's obvious that I must have a sleep disorder.
It's easier and less expensive for airline management in concert with a willing FAA to blame the pilots than it is to actually fix the real problem.
My current employer is showing zero concern with sleep patterns and circadian rhythm. We commonly have pairings with an 0700 show, one 2:30 leg, 12 hours of daytime rest followed by a 4 hour red eye followed by another 12 hours rest with a late afternoon show and 2 legs ending at 2200. 10 hours 1 minute on the ground followed by an early morning show on Day 4 with 3 legs and 7:30 flight time.
It's all legal per Part 117. Early morning, sleep in the day, red eye, sleep in the morning, late evening flying, short night, early morning, long Day 4.
Throw in a few nights in the lowest-cost-bidder hotels just to add to the fun. And if I'm fatigued on Day 4 it's obvious that I must have a sleep disorder.
It's easier and less expensive for airline management in concert with a willing FAA to blame the pilots than it is to actually fix the real problem.
Does anybody know if ALPA is/has or is going to push for more consistent circadian agreeable schedules? I know that companies will say they can't afford it and will go out of business when in fact they would just need to hire 10% more pilots and would still be minting money. This is a serious issue that affects every pilot, during their career and also after they retire when much of the damage cannot be undone.
03-16-2015 | 11:26 AM
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It always amazes me that there are also pax who purchase a ticket on a redeye such as LAS-MSP/ORD...3 hours flight time or even less!
Just a complete lack of respect for their own body's alleged need for sleep I guess (the passenger on a 3hr redeye I mean...not a junior pilot stuck with flying one).
03-16-2015 | 11:56 AM
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03-16-2015 | 12:13 PM
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03-17-2015 | 10:23 AM
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And again: Did this have anything to do with a sleep disorder?
Having once been at Mesa, I'd venture a guess that the fatigue displayed in this incident had more to do with a crappy hotel and/or a fatigue-inducing schedule.
My current employer is showing zero concern with sleep patterns and circadian rhythm. We commonly have pairings with an 0700 show, one 2:30 leg, 12 hours of daytime rest followed by a 4 hour red eye followed by another 12 hours rest with a late afternoon show and 2 legs ending at 2200. 10 hours 1 minute on the ground followed by an early morning show on Day 4 with 3 legs and 7:30 flight time.
It's all legal per Part 117. Early morning, sleep in the day, red eye, sleep in the morning, late evening flying, short night, early morning, long Day 4.
Throw in a few nights in the lowest-cost-bidder hotels just to add to the fun. And if I'm fatigued on Day 4 it's obvious that I must have a sleep disorder.
It's easier and less expensive for airline management in concert with a willing FAA to blame the pilots than it is to actually fix the real problem.
Having once been at Mesa, I'd venture a guess that the fatigue displayed in this incident had more to do with a crappy hotel and/or a fatigue-inducing schedule.
My current employer is showing zero concern with sleep patterns and circadian rhythm. We commonly have pairings with an 0700 show, one 2:30 leg, 12 hours of daytime rest followed by a 4 hour red eye followed by another 12 hours rest with a late afternoon show and 2 legs ending at 2200. 10 hours 1 minute on the ground followed by an early morning show on Day 4 with 3 legs and 7:30 flight time.
It's all legal per Part 117. Early morning, sleep in the day, red eye, sleep in the morning, late evening flying, short night, early morning, long Day 4.
Throw in a few nights in the lowest-cost-bidder hotels just to add to the fun. And if I'm fatigued on Day 4 it's obvious that I must have a sleep disorder.
It's easier and less expensive for airline management in concert with a willing FAA to blame the pilots than it is to actually fix the real problem.
That schedule sounds terrible.
All problems would be solved fixing that 4 day with something consistent!
The Mesa crew both had a day off prior. Capt was determined to have a sleep disorder, not sure about the much younger FO. But one flight almost a decade ago should not get the FAA going where they are with this!
It wasn't crappy hotels though. They were flying out of their base.
Nice to know at 6'4" and 205 I'm just into the overweight category?
And at 150 something I'd be healthy, yet probably dead.
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