Where is my freaking union on this??? They seem to be MIA. I would expect a call to action and then some. Anyone know what the hangup is?

Pipe

 

Could be waiting on some sort of actual proposal or something like that. I dunno. I haven't even seen any kind of notice for proposed rule making out there. Just a vague guideline for AMEs.

Why don't you call your rep rather than posing the question here? I am sure the answer you would get would be far more useful.

 

If his reps are anything like mine, they're far too busy trying to keep up with their MEC administration's lack of transparency and accountability to be able to keep tabs on the FAA.

And in any case, isn't that why we send an obscene amount of money out of our pilot group up to the bloated bureaucracy at national? So they can publicly advocate for us or something like that. I dunno.

 

The problem with the FAA's logic here is that both pilots fell asleep, but only one had OSA. Why'd the OTHER one fall asleep, and why isn't this the cause of both of them falling asleep?

I think we all know the answer - sucko Mesa schedules had them living in perpetual fatigue. But OSA makes a convenient scapegoat.

 

If I were your rep, and you talked to me in real life like you talk about them on here I'd probably have you on ignore anyway. You act like a three year old, not a grown man.

 

Unbelievable !!!!!


I am not a great lover of the FAA but for once that they are trying to do something that make sense all those out of shape Pilots are complaining.

1: A very small percentage of obese people are there by design, they just inflicted this upon themself.
2: The poor guy who is color blind did not inflicted this on himself, but is never the less banned from flying by the FAA.
3: The FAA is doing a favor to those way overweigh Pilot on giving them a reality check, isn’t it time to do something about it you guy’s do you want to keep been a threat to yourself and the public you are flying?

So for my two cent you larger people there is a very simple thing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKs0oEIVOck

You will be doing yourself a favor, not to mention your passengers and society.

Good luck see you all on the treadmill !!!!

 

You've evidently missed the conversation but don't worry there is still time to catch up.

 

I hate to interrupt this fatty bashing party.........but if your over 50, male with a 17" or greater circumference neck that puts you into a high risk category as well......potentially subject to a sleep study.

The bottom line is how each individual AME will handle which group to put you in. The way I read it......BMI alone will not trigger a sleep study.

 

Good luck and see you when you are 50 and older. You think this is good? If think this is a good thing, then I suggest the FAA start looking harder at anyone over 55. Why not? I mean, its just not that you snore or have a few extra pounds, how about your mentality? Do you drink at all? Do you love your kids? Have you ever been divorced? Lets get the standards started now so we all know what to expect for our career.

I just hope health wise, you don't get diabetes, break a leg, or get a back issue or cancer that happens to people. Good luck to you and your convictions. I know a lot of thin guys that have passed away for things that were beyond their control and a lot of over weight guys that keep on going. Its pure luck on longevity sometimes and NOT any issue of being able to perform your job.

 

I think I saw the number 50,000 pilots in ALPA now... and one AME quoted in an earlier article posted here said he thinks 90% of us have OSA. That's 45,000 pilots who have OSA.

So... where are all the accidents caused by OSA? I mean, we fly what, about 10,000 flights a day, in the USA alone? If 90% of these flights are being operated by pilots with OSA, there should be pilots sleeping and overshooting airports all over the country right now!

So... where are they?

You know what really causes fatigue? CRAPPY SCHEDULES! And the FAA's fix was... allow us to fly MORE, going from 8 hours per day to 9!

Now, I admit, getting the FAR changed to a shorter duty day did make much more sense, because that is what really causes fatigue, OSA or not, so there was an improvement there, but going to 9 hour flying was just stupid and a concession traded to the airline managements for the increased layovers.

Lack of Sleep Opportunity is what causes pilots to fall asleep at the wheel, much more than OSA. And I seriously doubt if 90% of us suffer from it!. But that makes a good story and will sell a lot of machines and gadgets.