Scheduling & SAP - Schedule Adjustment Period
05-11-2017, 08:33 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Last guy I talked to that worked there said it's in their contract but not implemented. The computer company is having trouble building a system that does PBS and SAP trip trades like PSA has. PSA shouldn't even consider talking about PSA until those guys report back that it works as advertised.
05-12-2017, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PSA help
Nope. That is why the SAP is different from what others have.
For instance, if every single FO line holder in the company decides to not work Christmas, we can all SAP Christmas off. (That actually happened...)
For instance, if every single FO line holder in the company decides to not work Christmas, we can all SAP Christmas off. (That actually happened...)
05-12-2017, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
Some of ya'll need to seriously ask yourselves if Dion having to call DFW every November and tell the powers that be that they need to cancel 80% of flying over Christmas is a good thing.
The company paid 200%, people picked up the flying, and it all worked out.
So yes, it is a good thing. Anyone who wanted it off could take it off. Anyone that didn't care to be off could work and make a lot of money.
05-12-2017, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PSA help
We actually did not cancel a single flight during Christmas this year.
The company paid 200%, people picked up the flying, and it all worked out.
So yes, it is a good thing. Anyone who wanted it off could take it off. Anyone that didn't care to be off could work and make a lot of money.
The company paid 200%, people picked up the flying, and it all worked out.
So yes, it is a good thing. Anyone who wanted it off could take it off. Anyone that didn't care to be off could work and make a lot of money.
But what happens this year when all the jokers on Processing decide that they won't show up for anything less than 300%? What about the year after that?
Look, I'm all about making as much money for as little work as the next guy, and I do think the company needs to start recognizing the new normal in compensation. The truth is that trying to affect those changes while holding a gun to management's head every Christmas may not work out well for us in the long term.
All that said, I think we're going to find ourselves in a similar situation this year. In typical PSA fashion the can has been kicked down the road. I've heard that any discussions pretty much stopped after MK left.
05-12-2017, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by PSA help
We actually did not cancel a single flight during Christmas this year.
The company paid 200%, people picked up the flying, and it all worked out.
So yes, it is a good thing. Anyone who wanted it off could take it off. Anyone that didn't care to be off could work and make a lot of money.
The company paid 200%, people picked up the flying, and it all worked out.
So yes, it is a good thing. Anyone who wanted it off could take it off. Anyone that didn't care to be off could work and make a lot of money.
Still very cool, seniority has it's privileges and there aren't many if any other airlines who provide that option at all but it's not as awesome as no one has to work Christmas unless they want to.
05-12-2017, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
Yep, a lot of last minute money was thrown at the problem and it all worked out.
But what happens this year when all the jokers on Processing decide that they won't show up for anything less than 300%? What about the year after that?
But what happens this year when all the jokers on Processing decide that they won't show up for anything less than 300%? What about the year after that?
When AA and the WOs are truely worried about having enough pilots to staff their flights they'll throw more money at the problem and increase pay and bonuses again like they did last time they fell far behind what other regionals were offering folks.
05-12-2017, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Other at least one other AA WO pays out 300% on a regular basis to keep its flights staffed... paying 300% of a couple of pilots per flight over the holidays isn't going to put much of a dent in AAs bottom line.
When AA and the WOs are truely worried about having enough pilots to staff their flights they'll throw more money at the problem and increase pay and bonuses again like they did last time they fell far behind what other regionals were offering folks.
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05-12-2017, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
There's a difference between PDT paying 300% per day, and PSA paying 200% Critical. The short version is that any trip that touched critical day paid 200%. Over the holidays they allowed us to blend additional flying into existing trips. The net benefit for me was I picked up 2 days of flying and turned 8 other days critical, which was a gain to me of 60 hours credit. I'll take that deal over 300% per day any time.
You're not wrong, but we'll be more effective if we do that collaboratively and not these last minute panic attacks by the company.
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You're not wrong, but we'll be more effective if we do that collaboratively and not these last minute panic attacks by the company.
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Piedmont pays 300% overtime all the time. PSA only paid out 200% during Christmas. You had to work on or around Christmas to receive those ten days of 200% overtime. Sure, seems nice that you only added two additional days which yielded tens days of 200%. But, that's still only ten days of 200% and you had to work on or around Christmas. Piedmont gets 300% overtime every single month, any time of the month and you don't have to work on or around Christmas to get it.
I'll take Piedmont's 300% per day anytime, think it through.
05-12-2017, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Systemized
Piedmont pays 300% overtime all the time. PSA only paid out 200% during Christmas. You had to work on or around Christmas to receive those ten days of 200% overtime. Sure, seems nice that you only added two additional days which yielded tens days of 200%. But, that's still only ten days of 200% and you had to work on or around Christmas. Piedmont gets 300% overtime every single month, any time of the month and you don't have to work on or around Christmas to get it.
I'll take Piedmont's 300% per day anytime, think it through.
I'll take Piedmont's 300% per day anytime, think it through.
I will take our SAP and 125% over PDTs 300% all day long. I will make more and have a better QOL with the PSA way.
05-12-2017, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PSA help
Nope. Not at all.
I will take our SAP and 125% over PDTs 300% all day long. I will make more and have a better QOL with the PSA way.
I will take our SAP and 125% over PDTs 300% all day long. I will make more and have a better QOL with the PSA way.
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