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11-15-2019, 03:01 AM
#1161
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 22
I feel that there is writing on the wall that shows us that increased flow is upon us. They have been hiring like crazy and we are now well over 2,000 pilots. We don’t need that many pilots. Why else would they overstaff, and why are they still hiring strong? 2 scenarios I can’t think of. Anticipated growth (DFW? 😀
, or anticipated need to staff AA. The method by which these things occur may surprise us. All I can say, is it’s going to be interesting the next few years, and exciting as well I believe for all of us working at the regional level right now.
, or anticipated need to staff AA. The method by which these things occur may surprise us. All I can say, is it’s going to be interesting the next few years, and exciting as well I believe for all of us working at the regional level right now.
11-15-2019, 03:32 AM
#1162
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 867
Originally Posted by Throwitaway
It's up to PSA management and how many pilots we can flow before we collapse due to staffing issues. AA wants more, PSA said we can only give you 10. I am a firm believer that our scheduling and crew planning is the biggest issue this company faces. The fact of the matter is that we're more so forcing upgrades out of necessity and not so much out of convenience.
New/prospective hires need to keep this in mind. When AA feels the full force of their ~1000/yr retirements starting next year, they can not just take ~800 pilots from their wholly owned affiliates, they are going to have to pull from ULCC/LCC/other regionals/part135. No one knows right now but to me the math of a significant flow increase doesn't add up for a sustainable regional business model. A prospective hire might have a better chance working for ANY regional for 2-3 years, hoping to say, frontier for 2-3 years, then landing a job at AA in 4-6 years. Beats the heck out of waiting for that 8-10 year flow through a wholly owned.
New/prospective hires need to keep this in mind. When AA feels the full force of their ~1000/yr retirements starting next year, they can not just take ~800 pilots from their wholly owned affiliates, they are going to have to pull from ULCC/LCC/other regionals/part135. No one knows right now but to me the math of a significant flow increase doesn't add up for a sustainable regional business model. A prospective hire might have a better chance working for ANY regional for 2-3 years, hoping to say, frontier for 2-3 years, then landing a job at AA in 4-6 years. Beats the heck out of waiting for that 8-10 year flow through a wholly owned.
The quickest way to AA, or any mainline job, is not through the respective wholly-owned regional. When AA hires/flows one PSA CA, 3 training events are generated on the AA books — new-hire FO initial at AA, CA upgrade at PSA, and new-hire initial FO at PSA. They’d much rather poach pilots from another airline’s W/O and put them in a staffing/training bind.
11-15-2019, 04:09 AM
#1163
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 658
Originally Posted by Jdj10
I feel that there is writing on the wall that shows us that increased flow is upon us. They have been hiring like crazy and we are now well over 2,000 pilots. We don’t need that many pilots. Why else would they overstaff, and why are they still hiring strong? 2 scenarios I can’t think of. Anticipated growth (DFW? 😀, or anticipated need to staff AA. The method by which these things occur may surprise us. All I can say, is it’s going to be interesting the next few years, and exciting as well I believe for all of us working at the regional level right now.
, or anticipated need to staff AA. The method by which these things occur may surprise us. All I can say, is it’s going to be interesting the next few years, and exciting as well I believe for all of us working at the regional level right now.Staple, staple staple
One can dream
Originally Posted by deadstick35
The quickest way to AA, or any mainline job, is not through the respective wholly-owned regional. When AA hires/flows one PSA CA, 3 training events are generated on the AA books — new-hire FO initial at AA, CA upgrade at PSA, and new-hire initial FO at PSA. They’d much rather poach pilots from another airline’s W/O and put them in a staffing/training bind.
11-15-2019, 05:03 AM
#1164
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 608
Only speaking for myself... obviously... if they don't increase the flow then I will be applying at our competitors.
I might not personally get picked up by big D, FE, UPS, United but I would be willing to bet I'm not the only one with my attitude.
PS - its not a threat per se, just a fact.
I might not personally get picked up by big D, FE, UPS, United but I would be willing to bet I'm not the only one with my attitude.
PS - its not a threat per se, just a fact.
11-15-2019, 07:47 AM
#1167
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 428
Originally Posted by deadstick35
The quickest way to AA, or any mainline job, is not through the respective wholly-owned regional. When AA hires/flows one PSA CA, 3 training events are generated on the AA books — new-hire FO initial at AA, CA upgrade at PSA, and new-hire initial FO at PSA. They’d much rather poach pilots from another airline’s W/O and put them in a staffing/training bind.
*all part of my little plan*Use me as their pawn in a game to steal each others employees. Do it, I DARE THEM!!!!
11-15-2019, 09:43 AM
#1168
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 429
Originally Posted by deadstick35
The quickest way to AA, or any mainline job, is not through the respective wholly-owned regional. When AA hires/flows one PSA CA, 3 training events are generated on the AA books — new-hire FO initial at AA, CA upgrade at PSA, and new-hire initial FO at PSA. They’d much rather poach pilots from another airline’s W/O and put them in a staffing/training bind.
AA has said that they will keep the flow's at all 3 WO's somewhere between 6 and 7 years. Anyone that even thinks for a minute that it will be 16+ years has no idea what is going on with the industry.
11-15-2019, 10:14 AM
#1169
Banned
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,012
Originally Posted by Approach1260
That's only if there's zero outside attrition. The latest screenshot of the data shows a new hire flowing in about 10.5 years.
11-16-2019, 12:07 PM
#1170
spin 2
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: the big one
Posts: 437
Originally Posted by Approach1260
That's only if there's zero outside attrition. The latest screenshot of the data shows a new hire flowing in about 10.5 years.
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