LOA 11 Reserve Improvements
02-19-2018, 04:36 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Blazin24 7
This place is getting more toxic by the day. Thats what happens when there is no communication between the people we are required to pay to represent us. "we cant talk about on going negotiations". Yeah that worked soooo well with critical pay arbitration. Dont touch my sap with out a vote.
Look at where we were when the contract was signed in went into effect in 2013, and look at what we have now. It is night and day better, and continues to get better.
02-19-2018, 07:24 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
There are about 12 toxic people, and they are all on here. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, and just want to be angry about everything.
Look at where we were when the contract was signed in went into effect in 2013, and look at what we have now. It is night and day better, and continues to get better.
Look at where we were when the contract was signed in went into effect in 2013, and look at what we have now. It is night and day better, and continues to get better.
It’s hard not to want to reply back to a lot of this stuff but I feel like I’m wasting my breath at this point. Most of you care (or you wouldn’t be here) but you don’t know what you don’t know. And no amount of trying to explain things on here makes any difference. There is a reason many of us have stopped replying to some of the stuff. A lot of it is absurd and some of it is ignorant.
If you are so upset with the direction things are going or the lack of communication or whatever flavor of the month gripe is going around then I encourage you to be persistent about getting involved. Run for an LEC position. Join a committee.
02-20-2018, 04:41 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
If you are so upset with the direction things are going or the lack of communication or whatever flavor of the month gripe is going around then I encourage you to be persistent about getting involved. Run for an LEC position. Join a committee.
If the flow increases, yet again, and the flow times come down to a realistic 4-5 years, people arguing/making policy will have even less vested interest in what is best for "the new guys." If/when the leadership is out of touch with the largest pilot group (with 600+ new-hires per year, you know what I mean) you can hardly call them "representatives," not so dissimilar to real politicians. I'll withhold judgement on that until we see the new reserve and other work rules come out.
02-20-2018, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
TThey have absolutely no idea what they are talking about,
Look at where we were when the contract was signed in went into effect in 2013, and look at what we have now. It is night and day better, and continues to get better.
Look at where we were when the contract was signed in went into effect in 2013, and look at what we have now. It is night and day better, and continues to get better.
In 2013 the flow was 4 pilots a month with 500 total pilots. Using that ratio, we'd have at least 14/month leaving right now. I'm still working under the 2013 contract, I don't know about you. My pay rate is based off of the LOA signed in 2013. CCP is not as good as it was in 2013/2014. SAP is part of the 2013 contract. What's night and day better than the 2013 contract? Things are better in terms of growth and upgrade times and PSA is probably the best choice among regionals, but that's not part of the contract.
02-20-2018, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by joseolay
I think you're the one that doesn't know what you're talking about.
In 2013 the flow was 4 pilots a month with 500 total pilots. Using that ratio, we'd have at least 14/month leaving right now. I'm still working under the 2013 contract, I don't know about you. My pay rate is based off of the LOA signed in 2013. CCP is not as good as it was in 2013/2014. SAP is part of the 2013 contract. What's night and day better than the 2013 contract? Things are better in terms of growth and upgrade times and PSA is probably the best choice among regionals, but that's not part of the contract.
In 2013 the flow was 4 pilots a month with 500 total pilots. Using that ratio, we'd have at least 14/month leaving right now. I'm still working under the 2013 contract, I don't know about you. My pay rate is based off of the LOA signed in 2013. CCP is not as good as it was in 2013/2014. SAP is part of the 2013 contract. What's night and day better than the 2013 contract? Things are better in terms of growth and upgrade times and PSA is probably the best choice among regionals, but that's not part of the contract.
We didn't have a flow in 2013. or 2014. Not till 2015 did we have a flow. We had an interview with Airways in 2013/4 and only for a month in 2013.
The LOAs that amended the garbage 2013 CBA have done a lot to improve QOL for first officers. With the flow going to 10 a month, thats pretty good movement. They haven't done anything to help us out in the left seat and CCP has been gutted since 2014. It was great when I was new here, then suddenly garbage.
02-20-2018, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by joseolay
I think you're the one that doesn't know what you're talking about.
In 2013 the flow was 4 pilots a month with 500 total pilots. Using that ratio, we'd have at least 14/month leaving right now. I'm still working under the 2013 contract, I don't know about you. My pay rate is based off of the LOA signed in 2013. CCP is not as good as it was in 2013/2014. SAP is part of the 2013 contract. What's night and day better than the 2013 contract? Things are better in terms of growth and upgrade times and PSA is probably the best choice among regionals, but that's not part of the contract.
In 2013 the flow was 4 pilots a month with 500 total pilots. Using that ratio, we'd have at least 14/month leaving right now. I'm still working under the 2013 contract, I don't know about you. My pay rate is based off of the LOA signed in 2013. CCP is not as good as it was in 2013/2014. SAP is part of the 2013 contract. What's night and day better than the 2013 contract? Things are better in terms of growth and upgrade times and PSA is probably the best choice among regionals, but that's not part of the contract.
02-20-2018, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
There are about 12 toxic people, and they are all on here. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, and just want to be angry about everything.
Look at where we were when the contract was signed in went into effect in 2013, and look at what we have now. It is night and day better, and continues to get better.
Look at where we were when the contract was signed in went into effect in 2013, and look at what we have now. It is night and day better, and continues to get better.
02-21-2018, 05:50 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by Blazin24 7
12????!!!!!! get real dude. What planet are you on? I LOVE my job. But the union isnt doing a great job. I hope that changes or IS changing, and yes I vote.
Going on strict percentage of people I fly with 80% of the people I fly with are not happy/low morale/not confident about our future.
What's even funnier though is people who are not in committees, sitting at tables, etc, etc that think there access to rumors is somehow better/more qualified than any one else's rumors...
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