Conclusion: Flow Blow(s), SAP too
08-17-2018, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck Sausage
There, their, they’re.
Ya, saw that after the edit button was no longer available. Can’t win them all. I am sure it won’t be the last time.
BTW you missed one to highlight. The search for Waldo is on. Hint: first paragraph
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08-18-2018, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Making it Count
Ya, saw that after the edit button was no longer available. Can’t win them all. I am sure it won’t be the last time.
BTW you missed one to highlight. The search for Waldo is on. Hint: first paragraph
BTW you missed one to highlight. The search for Waldo is on. Hint: first paragraph
I didn’t miss anything.
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08-18-2018, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Making it Count
So, after much deleberation what was once a huge recruiting tool, the flow and SAP, is a non-factor. I am typing this so hopefully the people similar to my position of soon choosing a regional to apply to can see where it doesn’t do much for a new hire at all (at PSA) in this hiring climate. At least I hope it gets you thinking and maybe it will help the current pilots that are getting shafted at PSA right now by drying up the hiring a bit so they can have some leverage. If I’m totally off on this (current PSA pilots) let me know but I truly do care when I see my pilot peers getting the raw end of the deal. Hopefully this doesn’t hose my chances of possibly coming their in the future either but I have counted to cost if so.
I’ll get it right one of these days I hope.
08-18-2018, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Making it Count
BTW you missed one to highlight. The search for Waldo is on. Hint: first paragraph
So, after much deleberation what was once a huge recruiting tool, the flow and SAP, is a non-factor.
You mentioned two things (flow and SAP), but used singular terms "tool", "was", and "is". The sentence should have read "So, after much deliberation, what were once huge recruiting tools, the flow and SAP, are non-factors." I'll give you a pass on the spelling of "deliberation" because I don't know the definition of the word to begin with.
08-18-2018, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tlamjaj
Well, if you really want to dig into things (and I only am because Charlotte is a mess right now and nothing is moving), here you go:
So, after much deleberation what was once a huge recruiting tool, the flow and SAP, is a non-factor.
You mentioned two things (flow and SAP), but used singular terms "tool", "was", and "is". The sentence should have read "So, after much deliberation, what were once huge recruiting tools, the flow and SAP, are non-factors." I'll give you a pass on the spelling of "deliberation" because I don't know the definition of the word to begin with.
So, after much deleberation what was once a huge recruiting tool, the flow and SAP, is a non-factor.
You mentioned two things (flow and SAP), but used singular terms "tool", "was", and "is". The sentence should have read "So, after much deliberation, what were once huge recruiting tools, the flow and SAP, are non-factors." I'll give you a pass on the spelling of "deliberation" because I don't know the definition of the word to begin with.
Haha. Okay, now we are getting way outta my league. I better have my wife come proofread all my forum posts from now on. She’s the edumecated one in the family.
And from now on I will try to keep the word selection to two syllables or less as they are usually easier to spell.
08-18-2018, 09:36 PM
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Rickshaw,
I appreciate your apology, but you have a bit too much anger in your response to go unanswered by an RTP guy. I am going to vent a little bit about the perception of the RTP guys by the Captains here and in the 121 world. In fact I just flew with a Captain that was a pretty senior guy and the conversation started out by asking me if I was RTP and my fixed wing experience. Granted I have only about 600 hours fixed wing, but His response was, ok we’ll consider that your total experience. WTF!!! that is a slap in the face and shows no understanding of what the RTP guys bring to the table experience wise. My response was that you do understand my helicopter flew faster and weighed about 10 times as much as a Cessna 172.
I’m an RTP guy if you couldn’t guess and I came here to PSA with about 2100 hours, with 1800 of that helicopter time. In those 2100 hours I gained way more experience in decision making, leadership, and flying experience then just a number says. At 300 total hours I was flying a 24,000 lb twin engine 1870 hp turbine helicopter and landing it on a Aircraft Carrier at night, on NVG’s, with 15 Marines in the back. At 500 hours TOTAL time I was an aircraft commander that was planing and flying missions that were 10x more complex then any 121 flight I’ve flown. Most civilian guys at 300 and 500 hours were just getting started as a CFI spending most of their time in the pattern.
You speak of XC time, almost all of my time was XC time in a helicopter. I doubt you’ve ever had to navigate using a 1:50,000 map at night on NVG’s flying at 150 ft using only a compass and stop watch for 45 minutes and land within 30 seconds of a target time. That was a standard for us lowly helicopter pilots. One of the civilian guys in my class had 1500 hours and the min XC time because he spent almost all of his time in the pattern as a CFI. That guy is a great pilot and brings a different perspective than I do to flying and I think that’s good.
The majority of being a Captain in the 121 world is making decisions based upon experience wouldn’t you agree? If you want experience then the RTP guys have way more experience then the hours they have in fixed wing show. Most RTP guys have command experience dealing with more life and death situations than most 121 Captains would deal with in several careers.
What I’m trying to get the point across is yes, most don’t have the fixed wing time that you think we need, but then again a couple of years ago you had 250 total hour pilots in the right seat. Wouldn’t you rather have pilots with a couple of thousand hours of experience in command with life and death experiences?
I appreciate your apology, but you have a bit too much anger in your response to go unanswered by an RTP guy. I am going to vent a little bit about the perception of the RTP guys by the Captains here and in the 121 world. In fact I just flew with a Captain that was a pretty senior guy and the conversation started out by asking me if I was RTP and my fixed wing experience. Granted I have only about 600 hours fixed wing, but His response was, ok we’ll consider that your total experience. WTF!!! that is a slap in the face and shows no understanding of what the RTP guys bring to the table experience wise. My response was that you do understand my helicopter flew faster and weighed about 10 times as much as a Cessna 172.
I’m an RTP guy if you couldn’t guess and I came here to PSA with about 2100 hours, with 1800 of that helicopter time. In those 2100 hours I gained way more experience in decision making, leadership, and flying experience then just a number says. At 300 total hours I was flying a 24,000 lb twin engine 1870 hp turbine helicopter and landing it on a Aircraft Carrier at night, on NVG’s, with 15 Marines in the back. At 500 hours TOTAL time I was an aircraft commander that was planing and flying missions that were 10x more complex then any 121 flight I’ve flown. Most civilian guys at 300 and 500 hours were just getting started as a CFI spending most of their time in the pattern.
You speak of XC time, almost all of my time was XC time in a helicopter. I doubt you’ve ever had to navigate using a 1:50,000 map at night on NVG’s flying at 150 ft using only a compass and stop watch for 45 minutes and land within 30 seconds of a target time. That was a standard for us lowly helicopter pilots. One of the civilian guys in my class had 1500 hours and the min XC time because he spent almost all of his time in the pattern as a CFI. That guy is a great pilot and brings a different perspective than I do to flying and I think that’s good.
The majority of being a Captain in the 121 world is making decisions based upon experience wouldn’t you agree? If you want experience then the RTP guys have way more experience then the hours they have in fixed wing show. Most RTP guys have command experience dealing with more life and death situations than most 121 Captains would deal with in several careers.
What I’m trying to get the point across is yes, most don’t have the fixed wing time that you think we need, but then again a couple of years ago you had 250 total hour pilots in the right seat. Wouldn’t you rather have pilots with a couple of thousand hours of experience in command with life and death experiences?
08-19-2018, 06:24 AM
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I agree with the above. Some of these pilots have had it so easy in their careers, they're completely clueless when it comes to assessing the ability of the person they are paired with.
I have heard that some of the RTP pilots have struggled during training, but my experience with the ones who are online is that they come to the flight deck open to mentoring, mature, and cognizant of their areas of weakness. Their stick and rudder skills are no worse than the average new CFI-background pilot, and I am confident they will improve rapidly because of the maturity and leadership background they bring with them when they show up on day one. I've not yet seen one of them pull the compass card down to read the back of it, unlike many of the children we have here.
These pilots are assets to the operation now, and if they remain long enough to upgrade and help develop the next generation of pilots they will be tremendous assets, as they already have leadership ability that exceeds the level PSA provides.
As a senior Captain, I can work with anyone, with any level of flying experience. The RTP pilots are always welcome on my flight deck.
I have heard that some of the RTP pilots have struggled during training, but my experience with the ones who are online is that they come to the flight deck open to mentoring, mature, and cognizant of their areas of weakness. Their stick and rudder skills are no worse than the average new CFI-background pilot, and I am confident they will improve rapidly because of the maturity and leadership background they bring with them when they show up on day one. I've not yet seen one of them pull the compass card down to read the back of it, unlike many of the children we have here.
These pilots are assets to the operation now, and if they remain long enough to upgrade and help develop the next generation of pilots they will be tremendous assets, as they already have leadership ability that exceeds the level PSA provides.
As a senior Captain, I can work with anyone, with any level of flying experience. The RTP pilots are always welcome on my flight deck.
08-19-2018, 07:51 AM
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Yeah but did you even teach left turning tendencies or do soft field landing bro? Those are the building blocks of flying the oh so complicated CRJ series of aircraft.. hopefully the have you limited to like a 5 knot crosswind limitation until you get some real experience flying with a decorated PSA captain, they are the authority on knowing what it takes.
Originally Posted by Clearedhot28
Rickshaw,
I appreciate your apology, but you have a bit too much anger in your response to go unanswered by an RTP guy. I am going to vent a little bit about the perception of the RTP guys by the Captains here and in the 121 world. In fact I just flew with a Captain that was a pretty senior guy and the conversation started out by asking me if I was RTP and my fixed wing experience. Granted I have only about 600 hours fixed wing, but His response was, ok we’ll consider that your total experience. WTF!!! that is a slap in the face and shows no understanding of what the RTP guys bring to the table experience wise. My response was that you do understand my helicopter flew faster and weighed about 10 times as much as a Cessna 172.
I’m an RTP guy if you couldn’t guess and I came here to PSA with about 2100 hours, with 1800 of that helicopter time. In those 2100 hours I gained way more experience in decision making, leadership, and flying experience then just a number says. At 300 total hours I was flying a 24,000 lb twin engine 1870 hp turbine helicopter and landing it on a Aircraft Carrier at night, on NVG’s, with 15 Marines in the back. At 500 hours TOTAL time I was an aircraft commander that was planing and flying missions that were 10x more complex then any 121 flight I’ve flown. Most civilian guys at 300 and 500 hours were just getting started as a CFI spending most of their time in the pattern.
You speak of XC time, almost all of my time was XC time in a helicopter. I doubt you’ve ever had to navigate using a 1:50,000 map at night on NVG’s flying at 150 ft using only a compass and stop watch for 45 minutes and land within 30 seconds of a target time. That was a standard for us lowly helicopter pilots. One of the civilian guys in my class had 1500 hours and the min XC time because he spent almost all of his time in the pattern as a CFI. That guy is a great pilot and brings a different perspective than I do to flying and I think that’s good.
The majority of being a Captain in the 121 world is making decisions based upon experience wouldn’t you agree? If you want experience then the RTP guys have way more experience then the hours they have in fixed wing show. Most RTP guys have command experience dealing with more life and death situations than most 121 Captains would deal with in several careers.
What I’m trying to get the point across is yes, most don’t have the fixed wing time that you think we need, but then again a couple of years ago you had 250 total hour pilots in the right seat. Wouldn’t you rather have pilots with a couple of thousand hours of experience in command with life and death experiences?
I appreciate your apology, but you have a bit too much anger in your response to go unanswered by an RTP guy. I am going to vent a little bit about the perception of the RTP guys by the Captains here and in the 121 world. In fact I just flew with a Captain that was a pretty senior guy and the conversation started out by asking me if I was RTP and my fixed wing experience. Granted I have only about 600 hours fixed wing, but His response was, ok we’ll consider that your total experience. WTF!!! that is a slap in the face and shows no understanding of what the RTP guys bring to the table experience wise. My response was that you do understand my helicopter flew faster and weighed about 10 times as much as a Cessna 172.
I’m an RTP guy if you couldn’t guess and I came here to PSA with about 2100 hours, with 1800 of that helicopter time. In those 2100 hours I gained way more experience in decision making, leadership, and flying experience then just a number says. At 300 total hours I was flying a 24,000 lb twin engine 1870 hp turbine helicopter and landing it on a Aircraft Carrier at night, on NVG’s, with 15 Marines in the back. At 500 hours TOTAL time I was an aircraft commander that was planing and flying missions that were 10x more complex then any 121 flight I’ve flown. Most civilian guys at 300 and 500 hours were just getting started as a CFI spending most of their time in the pattern.
You speak of XC time, almost all of my time was XC time in a helicopter. I doubt you’ve ever had to navigate using a 1:50,000 map at night on NVG’s flying at 150 ft using only a compass and stop watch for 45 minutes and land within 30 seconds of a target time. That was a standard for us lowly helicopter pilots. One of the civilian guys in my class had 1500 hours and the min XC time because he spent almost all of his time in the pattern as a CFI. That guy is a great pilot and brings a different perspective than I do to flying and I think that’s good.
The majority of being a Captain in the 121 world is making decisions based upon experience wouldn’t you agree? If you want experience then the RTP guys have way more experience then the hours they have in fixed wing show. Most RTP guys have command experience dealing with more life and death situations than most 121 Captains would deal with in several careers.
What I’m trying to get the point across is yes, most don’t have the fixed wing time that you think we need, but then again a couple of years ago you had 250 total hour pilots in the right seat. Wouldn’t you rather have pilots with a couple of thousand hours of experience in command with life and death experiences?
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