PSA Pilots Moonlighting, COVID-19
04-26-2020, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
The difference between reserve and leave of absence is not semantic
Suppose I could have said “no one on reserve is looking to moonlight because of a pay cut”
Suppose I could have said “no one on reserve is looking to moonlight because of a pay cut”
Never underestimate how much pilots will scheme. With the abundance of reservists on the grid right now, it’s almost guaranteed that you can arrange your schedule in a way that you won’t be used. So you still get guarantee and you’re free to make more money elsewhere or start working on an early escape plan.
Is it unethical? Yes. But I don’t doubt there are pilots trying to work a contingency plan in these ominous times. October is shaping up to be very unpleasant.
04-26-2020, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Greybush
I think everyone is just salty in this thread because OP is looking for someone to tattle on a pilot who’s just trying to better their life. I agree with the poster earlier that said, “Why don’t you just call the company, OP?”
While off-duty cops can moonlight as security guards, etc., this is the first time we've seen active pilots, still on their company's payroll, are seeking other work at the same time.
We've called the couple of airlines and they would not discuss it unless we were calling for a verification of employment of a specific employee. We declined to make that disclosure.
04-26-2020, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
...No, not looking to tattle on anybody, ...
But I understand you need to know this.
04-26-2020, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
There are legit reasons to request you don't contact current employers. Plenty of sleazeball operators who will craplist you the second someone contacts them and even suggests you are considering outside employment.
04-27-2020, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot
then explain that situation. I have delt with that exact scenario as the person doing the hiring. It wasn’t an issue. The applicant did not hide anything and explained the situation. Ended up being a great employee.
I have no doubt they would be great employees.
Our concern is interfering with their current contracts, agreements, union, GOM's, and whatever internal policies enacted because of COVID-19.
So, notwithstanding the fact we felt initially deceived, before we do anything, lest we get sued for some bizarre employment tort, we wanted to find out what the policy(ies) are, and whether moonlighting employment was permitted in the current environment.
04-27-2020, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
Different situation here. Several applicants did not initially disclose their current, and active, employment to us. When we found out through the standard background checks, these applicants gave us the lines in my initial post.
I have no doubt they would be great employees.
Our concern is interfering with their current contracts, agreements, union, GOM's, and whatever internal policies enacted because of COVID-19.
So, notwithstanding the fact we felt initially deceived, before we do anything, lest we get sued for some bizarre employment tort, we wanted to find out what the policy(ies) are, and whether moonlighting employment was permitted in the current environment.
I have no doubt they would be great employees.
Our concern is interfering with their current contracts, agreements, union, GOM's, and whatever internal policies enacted because of COVID-19.
So, notwithstanding the fact we felt initially deceived, before we do anything, lest we get sued for some bizarre employment tort, we wanted to find out what the policy(ies) are, and whether moonlighting employment was permitted in the current environment.
They don’t want you to contact PSA because they most likely don’t have the chiefs approval.
04-27-2020, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
Different situation here. Several applicants did not initially disclose their current, and active, employment to us. When we found out through the standard background checks, these applicants gave us the lines in my initial post.
I have no doubt they would be great employees.
Our concern is interfering with their current contracts, agreements, union, GOM's, and whatever internal policies enacted because of COVID-19.
So, notwithstanding the fact we felt initially deceived, before we do anything, lest we get sued for some bizarre employment tort, we wanted to find out what the policy(ies) are, and whether moonlighting employment was permitted in the current environment.
I have no doubt they would be great employees.
Our concern is interfering with their current contracts, agreements, union, GOM's, and whatever internal policies enacted because of COVID-19.
So, notwithstanding the fact we felt initially deceived, before we do anything, lest we get sued for some bizarre employment tort, we wanted to find out what the policy(ies) are, and whether moonlighting employment was permitted in the current environment.
04-28-2020, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot
If they work at PSA and don’t have the Chief pilots approval they are violating company policy and the collective bargaining agreement. I don’t believe you or your company would have any liability in the matter but I’m not a lawyer. I think the worst case would be your new hire would be fired by PSA if they figured it out. They don’t want you to contact PSA because they most likely don’t have the chiefs approval.
We're not so much worried about our legal liability, but don't want a bad reputation in this business.
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