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05-07-2022 | 10:56 AM
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If PSA wants LCA's to stay then they'll offer them enough money or benefits to convince them to stay. This is a job, not a charity.
05-07-2022 | 12:15 PM
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Are you seriously suggesting that LCA's should turn down a multi million dollar job with legacy because them leaving will make regional managements job harder?
If PSA wants LCA's to stay then they'll offer them enough money or benefits to convince them to stay. This is a job, not a charity.
If PSA wants LCA's to stay then they'll offer them enough money or benefits to convince them to stay. This is a job, not a charity.
05-07-2022 | 12:20 PM
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I would think that most regional pilots right now would want to fly as much as possible so they can get hired at a major airline. With majors hiring at record numbers, you will be on the bottom of the list for your career if you don't get hired in the next couple years. One legacy has already said that they have hired their last Captain already for the next 10+ years, and everyone now will be stuck in the right seat for a decade or more (Like the situation that Southwest is in).
05-07-2022 | 12:43 PM
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Are you seriously suggesting that LCA's should turn down a multi million dollar job with legacy because them leaving will make regional managements job harder?
If PSA wants LCA's to stay then they'll offer them enough money or benefits to convince them to stay. This is a job, not a charity.
If PSA wants LCA's to stay then they'll offer them enough money or benefits to convince them to stay. This is a job, not a charity.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
05-07-2022 | 12:45 PM
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05-07-2022 | 01:41 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying. In fact, I did say at some point in my post that those guys should move on. Or I made the comment why would they stay if offered a major job.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
PSA will shrink until attrition slows on its own or we drop below a minimum viable pilot count. Until management proves this wrong, then this is what's happening.
05-07-2022 | 02:30 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying. In fact, I did say at some point in my post that those guys should move on. Or I made the comment why would they stay if offered a major job.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
05-07-2022 | 04:32 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying. In fact, I did say at some point in my post that those guys should move on. Or I made the comment why would they stay if offered a major job.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
If there’s an inevitable collapse of the regional system because mainline is hiring all the crews, good! That’s the best way to leave it better than you found it.
05-07-2022 | 08:05 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying. In fact, I did say at some point in my post that those guys should move on. Or I made the comment why would they stay if offered a major job.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
What I’m saying is there doesn’t seem to be a clear position from management of what the long term solution is considering all this movement. They will obviously have to shrink the airline. But how much though? That’s just my speculation, that it will have to shrink. I could be wrong. To the ones who are up and coming, it’s concerning. We are keeping all our options open if the regional model collapses. For the ones who are getting calls and interviews and then moving on, that’s great. They’re in a good position, I think, for now.
But when we lose so many LCA’s then what? What’s the solution then? That’s what I’m asking. Just asking for some input. What have you guys been hearing that us newbies haven’t? Because a lot of us are wondering if we’ll even have a job in the next 6 -12 months. I don’t think regionals have ever gone under the water due to severe staffing shortages before, and it seems like that may happen. I’ve always been the type of person that likes to find solutions to problems, not just, “well, I know the industry is crapping on itself, but, it is what is” and not try to fix things where I’m at. I like to focus on the NOW.
Which brings me to my next point. What qualifications do you have to have to be selected as an LCA? I’d like to make PSA a better place in any way I can. If you wanna call it putting the cart before the horse like the other poster said, sure, whatever. I’m 100% focused on training, but I’m also looking for ways to ‘give back’ when I’m out of training and eventually upgrade. I’d like to leave it in a better condition than the way I found it. Is there anything wrong with that? If I’m eventually offered a position as an LCA, I’d probably take it vs working hard to put resumes out. Helping others is just in my blood. My stance is “I got this far, now I’d like to help others get here too.” Is it my goal to move on? Yes, absolutely. Do I think people should turn down an offer at a major or LCC and stay at PSA or any regional for that matter? No, I don’t.
The irony that I’m seeing in a lot of people moving on from regionals is “screw the regionals, to hell with them” when it was the regional job that was able to help them build quality 121 jet time with them, which ultimately HELPED them to get hired at a legacy. If it weren’t for the regional job, there’d be no major job. I get it. Regionals suck. But people trash their regionals and seem to completely forget that the regionals helped them get to where they’re at. Once the economy slows, and it will, I won’t really feel sorry for the ones who moved up to a major very quick and subsequently get furloughed, or they merge with someone else, etc. Remember, it’s a seniority-based industry.
A lot of pilots look like young kids in an ice cream store right now. Which, again, nothing wrong with that. But when the music stops, I think the senior pilots at regionals will be much better off with job security. People right now are acting like the industry won’t tank again, and seem to forget that the black swan event of Covid wasn’t that long ago.
They furloughed knowing damn well they needed pilots back a month later. Yeah, naw. They created this mess for themselves. You wonder why folks say screw PSA?
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