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11-21-2021, 06:35 AM

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The majors are hiring a lot from Spirit and Frontier.

who will backfill from the regionals

I’d be surprised to see them hiring exactly at atp mins but can definitely see them taking regional FO’s straight off ioe.

11-21-2021, 06:58 AM

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who will backfill from the regionals

I’d be surprised to see them hiring exactly at atp mins but can definitely see them taking regional FO’s straight off ioe.

I can see a lot of corporate or 135 ops backfilling out of the regionals as well. Seems as though the pay trend is on the way up on that side as well. Tough to stay at a regional when those gigs are starting at 3 times the pay of a regional. As guys rush to the airlines its opening up a lot of nice corporate spots.

11-21-2021, 10:27 AM

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who will backfill from the regionals.

Exactly right. Majors hire from Frontier or Spirit. Then they hire those numbers from the regionals.

Old line is, “Cut 6” off the top of your blanket and sew it on the bottom. It is still too short.”

11-21-2021, 11:24 AM

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The majors are hiring a lot from Spirit and Frontier too so have to factor those in.

Best move is to get out of the regionals asap for better pay and QOL.. get an Airbus type rating along the way and then go to a major. Would rather get stuck at a LCC for a few years than a regional making **** pay and with awful reserve rules and scheduling that violates the contract every day.

Oh I don’t disagree at all. Except It’s the same story over there at the LCCs and ULCCs. My spirit app has been under review for almost a year. So I’m just watching my seniority slip away….

11-22-2021, 08:55 AM

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Oh I don’t disagree at all. Except It’s the same story over there at the LCCs and ULCCs. My spirit app has been under review for almost a year. So I’m just watching my seniority slip away….

I can’t speak for Frontier, but it seems like Spirit and JetBlue are career destinations for most pilots who go there.

11-22-2021, 05:39 PM

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Would rather get stuck at a LCC for a few years than a regional making **** pay and with awful reserve rules and scheduling that violates the contract every day.

This guy bluestreaks !

11-23-2021, 05:28 AM

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I can’t speak for Frontier, but it seems like Spirit and JetBlue are career destinations for most pilots who go there.

I completely agree. No idea why people view them as not worthy. Stepping stones seem more like a waste of time the older you get.

11-23-2021, 05:30 AM

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I completely agree. No idea why people view them as not worthy.

because not long ago they were new entrants with poor compensation.

that has changed but it wasn’t wrong then

11-23-2021, 11:15 AM

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This is the way

11-24-2021, 04:26 AM

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I completely agree. No idea why people view them as not worthy. Stepping stones seem more like a waste of time the older you get.

Because heavy growth and attrition is required to have a successful career there. If you get hired by an LCC and they quit growing you will have 0 movement based on pilots turning 65. Every company can’t double in size forever, and if the contract is on par then that shuts down attrition. Someone will have a stagnant career there, just no one knows when that pilot was/will be hired.