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Old 02-08-2022, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan View Post
There are mainline airplanes flying to cities that they havent been to in years (if ever) and flying routes that were regional routes just a few months ago. AA is gearing up for the collapse of the regionals.
Upgauging is going to happen:
50–>76 with fewer a day
76–>mainline narrow body, with fewer a day

May even have milk runs like in the 1990s; Take a 76 or mainline narrow body and make multiple stops picking up a few at each stop, on the way to the hub. More a day, but not non-stop. We used to not shut down number 2 engine, 15 minute stop.
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Old 02-08-2022, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Belizepilot View Post
In the near term it looks like we will be a steadily shrinking airline for the foreseeable future. The problem AA faces isn't one which will be easily or quickly solved (less than 12 months). There's just too many things involved for a staple or merger. The regional feed will shrink, these passengers will be forced to drive to larger cities for that summer vacation/holiday trip. The only thing we could possibly see would be more retention money but we are already nearing a wages of second or third year mainline FO rates. There is one thing we do know, AA will try the cheapest and easiest thing they can do which is always throw money at the problem to a certain extent, after that it is what it is and this is where we are today. Get your time and move on.
They need to just increase the flow rate and send WO pilots to AA indoc for 1 day then send them back, then they can accrue longevity and seniority and make more than AA year 1 at the WO.

When you get close to flowing making less and commuting to reserve doesn’t look to fun. When your years away from flowing getting called to a major is exciting and takes the sting out of making less and commuting to reserve.
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Old 02-09-2022, 07:25 AM
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They need to just increase the flow rate and send WO pilots to AA indoc for 1 day then send them back, then they can accrue longevity and seniority and make more than AA year 1 at the WO.

When you get close to flowing making less and commuting to reserve doesn’t look to fun. When your years away from flowing getting called to a major is exciting and takes the sting out of making less and commuting to reserve.
There's no mechanism in the APA contract to do that.
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Old 02-09-2022, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor View Post
They need to just increase the flow rate and send WO pilots to AA indoc for 1 day then send them back, then they can accrue longevity and seniority and make more than AA year 1 at the WO.

When you get close to flowing making less and commuting to reserve doesn’t look to fun. When your years away from flowing getting called to a major is exciting and takes the sting out of making less and commuting to reserve.
That issue is way more complex than one would think, and it involves two groups APA and AA management who can't even solve there own problems after weeks of negotiating, to add anything in for the WO groups in at this time as we would hope to them is more likely irrelevant. Its looking like they will play it safe without making major changes this year and continue to operate all 3 wholly owned airlines individually and face the reality of limited staffing. Being part of a shrinking airline is not somewhere you would want to be, especially with all the growing opportunity elsewhere, this most likely will further increase the attrition rate particularly on the FO side I would think.
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Old 02-12-2022, 09:01 PM
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I met a PSA F/O today who lives in my area. He's a SIC with over 900 hours so will upgrade in a few months.....if he's still around. He already has a UAL interview scheduled next month so may never get around to the upgrade. His career path was fairly typical, College Degree, ATP Flight School, recycle back in as a CFI until 1500 then to PSA. What is so stupid is that he wants to stay here in CLT, but AA isn't likely to interview him because he's so far from flowing, 5 years I think he said. He hasn't even applied to the ULCC's yet. If he gets a job offer from UAL he thinks maybe that will motivate AA to consider him, if not he's prepared to make DEN his home.
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Originally Posted by AirBear View Post
I met a PSA F/O today who lives in my area. He's a SIC with over 900 hours so will upgrade in a few months.....if he's still around. He already has a UAL interview scheduled next month so may never get around to the upgrade. His career path was fairly typical, College Degree, ATP Flight School, recycle back in as a CFI until 1500 then to PSA. What is so stupid is that he wants to stay here in CLT, but AA isn't likely to interview him because he's so far from flowing, 5 years I think he said. He hasn't even applied to the ULCC's yet. If he gets a job offer from UAL he thinks maybe that will motivate AA to consider him, if not he's prepared to make DEN his home.
He could hire on with UAL. In a bit he could apply to AA.
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Originally Posted by AirBear View Post
I met a PSA F/O today who lives in my area. He's a SIC with over 900 hours so will upgrade in a few months.....if he's still around. He already has a UAL interview... What is so stupid is that he wants to stay here in CLT, but AA isn't likely to interview him because he's so far from flowing, 5 years I think he said. He hasn't even applied to the ULCC's yet. If he gets a job offer from UAL he thinks maybe that will motivate AA to consider him, if not he's prepared to make DEN his home.
Take the first major that offers. He can commute to reserve in IAD or EWR and do a crash pad ...he will likely hold a line within a year.
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Take the first major that offers. He can commute to reserve in IAD or EWR and do a crash pad ...he will likely hold a line within a year.
He realizes that and plans on IAD to start if he's hired. Easy commute from CLT. Luckily his wife works from home and they have no kids. Once he can hold DEN they'll just move. I don't know that he'll try for AA after starting with UAL.
Also, he's being smart and doing the full Monty for the interview. Professional resume review and practice interviews with a company that specializes in that.
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Old 03-07-2022, 04:57 PM
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He could hire on with UAL. In a bit he could apply to AA.
Got an update on my neighbor today. He is still interviewing with UAL (900+ hour F/O at PSA) but it's going to be at an upcoming job fair, not at UAL's main facility. Now he also has scored an interview with AA at the same fair. I found this a bit surprising since he's years away from flowing. Maybe AA is using some common sense knowing that they'll lose him one way or the other. I've been out of the game for a number of years so I don't know if a job fair interview can lead to a CJO or just a chance for an interview at the main facility for that airline.
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Originally Posted by AirBear View Post
I met a PSA F/O today who lives in my area. He's a SIC with over 900 hours so will upgrade in a few months.....if he's still around. He already has a UAL interview scheduled next month so may never get around to the upgrade. His career path was fairly typical, College Degree, ATP Flight School, recycle back in as a CFI until 1500 then to PSA. What is so stupid is that he wants to stay here in CLT, but AA isn't likely to interview him because he's so far from flowing, 5 years I think he said. He hasn't even applied to the ULCC's yet. If he gets a job offer from UAL he thinks maybe that will motivate AA to consider him, if not he's prepared to make DEN his home.
This person clearly lacks good judgment and should just go to UAL and enjoy his 150k a year job flying MAINLINE jets with zero command time. Seniority is everything.
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