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Old 12-27-2021, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Ddts View Post
Maybe someone can enlighten CLT how to run a ramp, then people won't stop to contact a new controller every 15 feet.
It's a North Carolina thing, not a Charlotte thing. RDU is the most complicated airport that really shouldn't be a complicated airport.
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Old 12-27-2021, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver View Post
It's a North Carolina thing, not a Charlotte thing. RDU is the most complicated airport that really shouldn't be a complicated airport.
RDU isn’t complicated by any means. They just built the parallel runways too close to allow simultaneous approaches.

CLT is a airport which the city and US Airways failed to reconfigure the airfield in order to keep CPAs down in order to maintain the US Airways hub during the down years.

Now we are seeing the results of such short sighted decisions made by the city of Charlotte, US Airways/American trying to operate the hub at a level which way beyond what the rhe airport can handle..
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Old 12-27-2021, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8 View Post
RDU isn’t complicated by any means. They just built the parallel runways too close to allow simultaneous approaches.
Exactly... yet they need multiple ground frequencies (always NOTAMed down to one), multiple tower frequencies (always NOTAMed down to one), a five page ATIS, a dozen SIDs that all start with radar vectors, and a dedicated T2 ramp frequency that really only needs to cover the gates in the back. Like you said, it's not hard. They want to make it hard.
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Old 12-27-2021, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver View Post
Exactly... yet they need multiple ground frequencies (always NOTAMed down to one), multiple tower frequencies (always NOTAMed down to one), a five page ATIS, a dozen SIDs that all start with radar vectors, and a dedicated T2 ramp frequency that really only needs to cover the gates in the back. Like you said, it's not hard. They want to make it hard.

Those frequencies, those SIDs, Multiple tower frequncies were all there and set up to support the old AA RDU hub back in the day....... Infrastructure is built up to support a hub, it doesn't just goes away once the hub is shut down. Thats why Pittsburg has all those frequencies and SIDs as well. Same with Saint Louis and the far runway that was built to support a TWA hub.
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Old 12-27-2021, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8 View Post
Those frequencies, those SIDs, Multiple tower frequncies were all there and set up to support the old AA RDU hub back in the day....... Infrastructure is built up to support a hub, it doesn't just goes away once the hub is shut down. Thats why Pittsburg has all those frequencies and SIDs as well. Same with Saint Louis and the far runway that was built to support a TWA hub.
Pit no longer has a ramp frequency. Blew my mind.
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Old 12-28-2021, 05:13 AM
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RDU is a major airport along one of the busiest air traffic corridors in the world. There are multiple SIDs and STARs to coordinate getting traffic into the flow at altitude along the East Coast. Between NY Center, Washington Center, and Atlanta Center, things get pretty congested along that area, especially with DCA, CLT, PHL, and CLT arrivals all being in the vicinity.

It isn't about the size of the airport, it is about getting the traffic from that airport into the enroute structure in an organized way and with multiple options depending on congestion.

Plus, RDU is a major diversion airport on the East Coast for just about every carrier. I have seen 25+ AA airplanes stacked up there when CLT closes due to TS in the area.
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Old 12-28-2021, 06:26 AM
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It isn't about the size of the airport, it is about getting the traffic from that airport into the enroute structure in an organized way and with multiple options depending on congestion.
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guess they need to work on the sids for FAY then
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Old 12-28-2021, 09:03 AM
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RDU is a major airport along one of the busiest air traffic corridors in the world. There are multiple SIDs and STARs to coordinate getting traffic into the flow at altitude along the East Coast. Between NY Center, Washington Center, and Atlanta Center, things get pretty congested along that area, especially with DCA, CLT, PHL, and CLT arrivals all being in the vicinity.

It isn't about the size of the airport, it is about getting the traffic from that airport into the enroute structure in an organized way and with multiple options depending on congestion.

Plus, RDU is a major diversion airport on the East Coast for just about every carrier. I have seen 25+ AA airplanes stacked up there when CLT closes due to TS in the area.
‘Yes that very true, however it also takes into account the amount of traffic that needs to come off of a air field. Look at GSO for example. RDU had a major AA hub back in day the that created a need to create a **** ton of SIDs to feed that traffic into the Enroute system of Washington and Atlanta. Those SIDS have continued to remain this day after the draw down of AA and a resurgence of traffic growth from Southwest and Delta prior to Covid.
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parking lot pattie today, "considering I do this every day, I know what i'm doing"....Meanwhile the ramp was fubar because of her. CLT ramp is a dumpster fire and a money maker typically. They need real controllers.
Actually, what they need to do is drop a mini nuke on the entire property. I was at Air Whiskey in my RJ days in and out, unfortunately.

It is absolutely insane how unbelievably dog$hit and idiotic that entire design and operation is. I have yet to go to CLT since I’ve left and I pretty much plan on keeping it that way. I guess we park far away in some new terminal, but doesn’t matter. Not happening. Ever.
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Old 12-28-2021, 05:00 PM
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Actually, what they need to do is drop a mini nuke on the entire property. I was at Air Whiskey in my RJ days in and out, unfortunately.

It is absolutely insane how unbelievably dog$hit and idiotic that entire design and operation is. I have yet to go to CLT since I’ve left and I pretty much plan on keeping it that way. I guess we park far away in some new terminal, but doesn’t matter. Not happening. Ever.
haha yea, someone asked me awhile back how i'd fix it, and i said a wagon load of JDAMs is a good start
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