Attention new hires PSA and Eagle flow is BS
08-22-2021, 05:14 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Except, can you take a pass and not go? Or not now, but later?
08-22-2021, 08:28 AM
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Keep in mind too that the only way to return to PSA is to fail training at AA (which to my knowledge no one has had to take advantage of). There were several at AA when COVID hit that hit the street on furlough along with everyone else.
But the above poster is correct that all they do every month is take the top ten pilots with the yes box checked, regardless of when it may not have been check previously.
But the above poster is correct that all they do every month is take the top ten pilots with the yes box checked, regardless of when it may not have been check previously.
08-24-2021, 09:38 AM
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If I were I new pilot I would go to a regional with no flow at all. AA will be purging regionals for pilots and they’re not going to dip into their WOs. There is an absurd amount of 2015 hires on property at PSA and at a whopping 10 a month minus December that’s 2 maybe three years of 2015 flowees.. people will come to argue my claim but they’re wrong. It’s right in front of you to see and come to a logical conclusion. Best bet is the senior folks apply to the cargo and other 2 legacies. A lot of lazy pilots out there.
08-24-2021, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Duck Sausage
If I were I new pilot I would go to a regional with no flow at all. AA will be purging regionals for pilots and they’re not going to dip into their WOs. There is an absurd amount of 2015 hires on property at PSA and at a whopping 10 a month minus December that’s 2 maybe three years of 2015 flowees.. people will come to argue my claim but they’re wrong. It’s right in front of you to see and come to a logical conclusion. Best bet is the senior folks apply to the cargo and other 2 legacies. A lot of lazy pilots out there.
08-24-2021, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Duck Sausage
If I were I new pilot I would go to a regional with no flow at all. AA will be purging regionals for pilots and they’re not going to dip into their WOs. There is an absurd amount of 2015 hires on property at PSA and at a whopping 10 a month minus December that’s 2 maybe three years of 2015 flowees.. people will come to argue my claim but they’re wrong. It’s right in front of you to see and come to a logical conclusion. Best bet is the senior folks apply to the cargo and other 2 legacies. A lot of lazy pilots out there.
08-24-2021, 10:01 AM
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The flow has always been career insurance. It has never been a good plan A.
Yes, insurance will give you a new kitchen but waiting for a grease fire is not a good plan for replacing yellow formica countertops.
Flow will keep one bad decision or bad luck from ruining your career. You should still have all your applications out.
Yes, insurance will give you a new kitchen but waiting for a grease fire is not a good plan for replacing yellow formica countertops.
Flow will keep one bad decision or bad luck from ruining your career. You should still have all your applications out.
08-24-2021, 10:51 AM
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I feel like a lot of people just assume WO pilots go to WO specifically for flow. Personally I saw it as a backup plan. It's free to have in your back pocket God forbid you aren't able to get picked up elsewhere. I will say I've talked to a lot of people who were pro flow and not wanting to go anywhere else who are now singing a different tune. They've got apps out everywhere.
Get in, get your time, update your apps at all the companies you're interested in working at and try to get out.
The only thing I really tell people is to try and avoid the regionals with only 50 seater flying. With what we have seen post covid I would be very hesitant going to a carrier that flies only 200's or 145s and nothing else.
Get in, get your time, update your apps at all the companies you're interested in working at and try to get out.
The only thing I really tell people is to try and avoid the regionals with only 50 seater flying. With what we have seen post covid I would be very hesitant going to a carrier that flies only 200's or 145s and nothing else.
08-24-2021, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
We’re starting to see a lot more movement even from the top 20-25%. Not much would change that except if they offered some sort of longevity for years of service at the WO or maybe seniority numbers. Money won’t solve their coming staffing shortage. People who otherwise planned to stay for flow are leaving after 2020, and it would take a lot to halt that momentum that has already built.
My experience is anecdotal to be sure, but it seems like we're losing Captains faster than we can upgrade and a sign on bonus for new hires won't keep Captains on property.
The rumors of what they might do to get folks to stay are getting pretty ridiculous lol.
08-24-2021, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
Yeah they mentioned attrition at the townhall, and I thought it was funny that the only measure they could point to was the sign on bonus returning.
My experience is anecdotal to be sure, but it seems like we're losing Captains faster than we can upgrade and a sign on bonus for new hires won't keep Captains on property.
The rumors of what they might do to get folks to stay are getting pretty ridiculous lol.
My experience is anecdotal to be sure, but it seems like we're losing Captains faster than we can upgrade and a sign on bonus for new hires won't keep Captains on property.
The rumors of what they might do to get folks to stay are getting pretty ridiculous lol.
08-24-2021, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
There may be some truth to the rumors. Though I wouldn’t hold my breath for any announcement to be earth-shattering. If they announce anything it will be carefully measured to stop some attrition without giving up too much to the pilots. In 6 months of hiring I think we’re only positive about 15 actual pilots with the attrition we’ve been seeing.
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