Hiding behind notes or screen names, its the modern theme.

I am at psa and I am enjoying myself and have good qol. Some of these posts are very entertaining. I love generalizing a population of people....

 

LOL, I remember that.

 

Yes, and thusly the trivialization begins. It's how you all live with yourselves, I understand.

Sometimes generalizations can be uncannily accurate, especially when shared by a large group of people. On that point, have any of you moseyed on over to the Expressjet pilots forum to see what they think of you yet? No? I didn't think so...

Trivialize away...

 

That's my point, you generalize an individual on a decision by a group. A 6 year fo voting "no" doesn't seem to matter(from what I have gathered on this topic) I'm new here, didn't vote but the generalization doesn't seem to matter. I chose psa because they called me first, interviewed me first and had a class date. Did not get a call from other airlines until psa class date was 2 days away. And these forums teach you seniority is everything..

 

Said individuals have been attempting to justify the faulty collective decision for months now. If as individuals they had voted no originally AND were alienating themselves from it now, it would be a different story.

 

No, I meant that if Eagle had voted for a 61% increase it would have been at the detriment of other carriers.

It seems like in the same sentence the PSA argument was we had great work rules so the TA was acceptable, but we didnt know how good those work rules are.

AAG could whipsaw the 200's just to pull concessions from you, why pay you more than what they have to, and you will have a more vulnerable voting group.

Don't get me wrong I would apply and work at PSA just as much as Eagle, AWAC, or XJT, but it does seem weak to keep defending a mistake. Just call it a mistake a say we got scarred after Comair closed and Endeavor voted in major concessions. The MEC could have delayed, stalled negotiated longer, PSA could have gone through a least one round of NO voting. It continues to seem foolish to claim in hindsight you would have voted yes because you "benefited" from it. It defends how selfish the yes group really was, running to the trough like a hog eating slop. I dont think anyone wanted you too really fall on a sward, just suspend the drool and selfish intentions long enough to strike a collective gain or ward off a collective loss, nope.

 

It wasn't an easy vote. Most of the yes voters were reluctant yes voters. Half of the no voters were reluctant no voters. It was just crap sandwich either way but I firmly believe it wasn't an empty threat. And we only have 14 aircraft that are deemed valuable to AA so yea we can be shut down overnight. Compass just got some e jets that were specifically meant for eagles so I guess it wasn't a complete empty threat. When the 700's go away then we'll know for sure how dirty AA plays.

Meanwhile eagles can't hire new hires, upgrade time increasing, pilots morals are lower than ever. My point is, if you voted no then you knew these were your consequences. So after a heroic no vote, why are SOME of you so bitter as if you're surprised by the stagnation, lower moral and looking for a scapegoat? Being honorable is having the whole package not just choosing to be honorable in one part while being a complete douche in other areas. Some of you are harder to talk to than a dog in heat running after a squirrel.

My point is that I can talk trash about my wife and my parents all I want. But if a stranger starts talking trash about them, I will pimp slap him back to the stone ages. Especially when their talks are half truths and rumors. That's called loyalty to your group even though the majority voted differently from you. Unlike the mighty regionals pilots that voted no but bailed to Mesa, Compass and yes even PSA when they've realized what was better for them. I totally understand why they've bailed. Just like I totally understand why 61% voted yes. And in hindsight, I would've voted yes. So less bickering and more understanding please. Or if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything because you're not solving anything but creating more tension amongst different groups. Do you get off on that or something? Or keep whining because maybe, just maybe if you whine enough, the world will finally turn in your favor.

 

Express jet? You mean that bottom feeder that doesn't pay their new hires during training?

 

I'm not trying to defend anything. I voted no but had a hard time making the decision.

I'm telling you the REALITY of the situation. PSA was significantly more vulnerable to a shutdown than Eagle was. Pure numbers tell us that. 61% of PSA either believed that AAG was not bluffing, or that they needed to secure their job for the next 10 years. 10 Years guaranteed probably 50 guys on the list a job until retirement, or very close to it and guaranteed another 50 to be over at mainline within a year, or less.

Everyone likes to say how inept mgmt is with "DUI Douggie" et al. Truth is they certainly are not. They knew exactly what to put in our deal to get the vote they needed. The extra 10% who also voted yes was just icing.

As far as further whipsaw against PSA....Well, that isn't going to happen for 30 CRJ 200s. No one would bid on them, maybe AWAC, but we do it cheaper than what they could bid anyway. If anything they could park them, but I already discussed why that isn't likely to happen in the near future.

Also, do you work at a regional?

 

Just because they made easy work out of you all doesn't mean they are skillful by any means.

It's amazing how that happens when you under cut everyone. Congratulations, you entered the race to the bottom and won!