It's over and done with now, no going back. Whether PSA pilots were for it or against it nothing can be changed now. Only thing to do is accept it and move forward. No reason to create stress, anger and chaos over it at this point.

 

Why would AAG care if we are upset? That is your ace in the hole as to why they won't give you a good deal? Say that to yourself over again in your head and maybe you'll realize how ridiculous it sounds. "AAG won't give Eagle a good deal because PSA pilots will be upset about it."........Go ahead say it.....I'll wait.

Good. Now that we have that out of the way.

If our union actually is talking to the company, which is pure unadulterated rumor at this point all they are trying to do is to make our hiring agreement a little better. Either by increasing the number taken every month, or by making it a full blown flow through. The 12/4 is staying. Again, this was all in their original strategy of "play ball now, improvements later."

As far as me being a proponent of the deal: Hindsight being 20/20 I'd probably vote yes at this point after seeing what happened to PSA voting yes, and Eagle after voting no. It's not because I'm "spineless" or a "sellout" it's because it was the smart decision at that time. We also locked in the really really really good parts of our contract for the next 10 years. Parts of the contract that no one at PSA, pilots included, had any idea were as good as they were at that time. We guaranteed that PSA will exist until 2023 in writing via an agreement for acft. That guarantee, coupled with (maybe) trouble hiring gives PSA leverage in negotiations to possibly get a full flow or an increase in required pilots moving from PSA to AAG per month.

I agree that it "isn't fair" that AAG is posting profits and we need to give but unfortunately that is the name of the game at this point for wholly owns which is a unique situation compared to other regionals. Again, this isn't because I'm "spineless" it's because I can see the writing on the wall.

Your union's mantra that "no one can staff" is clearly untrue as Mesa, Compass, and PSA continue to fill every single class they run.

On a seperate note, what are the upgrade times right now at Eagle? I'd like to throw some rough numbers at you after your response.

 

Ill answer that for you. 7-8yrs and increasing due to NO NEW Hires through the door and parking airplanes.

 

Your misleading the facts a bit, your contract would not even been the same had Eagle MEC not rejected their first offer. So what would you have voted yes to you dont even know what it would have looked like. PSA's best leverage was Eagle MEC turning down AAG.

AAG hasent really honored their bluff until they move the 700's. A draw down would have occurred anyway with Republic's planes coming on.

PSA was offered a 61% increase in their fleet count, I don't think Eagle was ever able to vote on a deal that included a fleet of 350+ frames.

Lastly your not quite out the woodworks yet, AAG can easily wait until your last 900 is on the property and then sell you back 35 ragged out 200 frames with something else, or risk furloughs. Btw the half of the company with the most to loose will be just off year 1 and be a able to vote.

 

How many months did it take to go from 8 years to where its at? Any company can always be 1 undercutting contract away form growth. It has taken a year, maybe 1.5?

 

If AAG does sell the 200's somehow. (they JUST renewed the leases). Then our pay goes from 200-700/900 blended rate to a strait 700/900 rate and my pay will go up another couple dollars.

 

Right, but I meant sell them to you Union for concessions, or move them and lose 400 jobs. Btw the 400 jobs would be guys on year 1.1 and gullible and vote for any type of concession to keep their job.

 

There seems to be misunderstanding about this. Our contract was the same as it is now before eagle vote or even the AA merger. The TA you're talking about only included pay caps, and the preferential hiring thing. The SAP, min day and all the other soft pay sections were never touched.

 

So, if Eagle would have taken the concessionary offered right after Endeavor had, than PSA would have......?

 

Same exact contract but no pay caps.