Originally Posted by Moonwolf

1. Eagle took concessions while their parent company was bankrupt. PSA took concession while their parent company had posted record profits.

2. Comair raised the bar, although Awac still has an equal to or better contract than comair, under a 2001 concessionary contract from united express.

While I understand the feeling of most psa pilots, 900's for Mesa, 175s for rah, seeing planes disappear from your grasp as you say no to a crap sandwich. This time you took a bite, in the end, you make your own meal. Let just hope hiring continues at majors and we all can enjoy a career there.

yah right

Crap sandwiches for a career at lowly regionals would to me seem like jail sentence.

Originally Posted by JT8D

This response represents a part of why you idiots are completely hopeless. Where did I say they won't eventually offer us a good deal?

I'll help you out there... I never did. Putting words in peoples' mouths is the only way you failures can ever have any semblance of an argument.You said the reason you guys have not received a good offer yet is because PSA would be mad. Did you not?

The company has already willfully violated your recently signed flow through agreement by withholding pilots, so your response is to politely ask them to increase the flow in the future? Good luck on getting any improvements whatsoever. You PSA'ers are like a hooker who puts out before getting paid and then demands the money while being shoved out the door. Only difference is that you don't have some pimp to back you up. The company withholding pilots was absolutely not in violation of our agreement. They are allowed to hold up to the full amount until December of each year. They have been taking the agreed upon amount since june and will take extras after august to catch up.

Instead you have an MEC chairman who had proudly stated that he would be amenable to taking MORE concessions for MORE airplanes. Way to secure your "leverage" there. Pure conjecture and gossip on your part. Please show it to me in writing.

As for upgrade time at Eagle... I am a senior FO who stands to benefit the most from more planes. But guess what? I don't give a sht! This company can go out of business tomorrow for all I care. This job is so easily replaceable in a myriad of other careers it's ridiculous. If everyone thought like me, and if this joke of a company needs us as much as their actions indicate they do, Parker and pals would not have a leg to stand on. I didn't ask for you to soapbox me to death. I asked for upgrade times. Luckily someone else obliged.

You have hidden behind your no vote a lot in the past. Nice to know you fit in with the rest of the pilots over there. I bet ol' Jerry thinks he made an easy kill out of you all. I haven't hidden behind anything. My posts are completely transparent and I tell the good, as well as the bad when asked.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

Your misleading the facts a bit, your contract would not even been the same had Eagle MEC not rejected their first offer. So what would you have voted yes to you dont even know what it would have looked like. PSA's best leverage was Eagle MEC turning down AAG.

AAG hasent really honored their bluff until they move the 700's. A draw down would have occurred anyway with Republic's planes coming on.

PSA was offered a 61% increase in their fleet count, I don't think Eagle was ever able to vote on a deal that included a fleet of 350+ frames.

Lastly your not quite out the woodworks yet, AAG can easily wait until your last 900 is on the property and then sell you back 35 ragged out 200 frames with something else, or risk furloughs. Btw the half of the company with the most to loose will be just off year 1 and be a able to vote.

Originally Posted by Braniff

sooo eagle voted concessions in bankruptcy while AA had billions in the bank, and you think psa pilots are the idiots? We voted based on history......Comair had raised the bar more than a decade ago, did anybody match their contract to protect them and our industry....NO! Instead you savages ASA/GOJET/PINNACLE/SKYWEST took their planes in stride.......PSA, 2007, offered 40 900's for same pay, we voted NO, offered again a year later, voted NO to protect our industry and the likes of YOU. US Air took our planes converted them to 175's and gave them to REPUBLIC, we furloughed. hey thanks Republic for going for that quick upgrade.

So did we trust our "brothers and sister" at the regionals to stand with us?....HEEELLL NO! We could have been closed up and slinging gear for guys like jt8d

you stood strong eagle, thanks but we aren't going to jump off the bridge with you, your 700's will be going to another and ours would have too.

Originally Posted by pagey

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Originally Posted by JT8D

I'm not going to parse through all of that so here's the point by point:

1. No, genius I did not. Go back, reread what I said, think about it, and when you fully comprehend that simple statement, come back.

2. Regardless, my analogy and point are still valid, and thusly still stand.

3. Confirmed though multiple sources including your own pilots. Ask around.

4. Soapboxing is part of the nature of this forum. Deal with it.

5. You have pulled the " Don't blame me, I voted no " card numerous times. Don't deny it.

Originally Posted by JT8D

According to someone very much in the know, the company is hesitant to make us a good offer in part because they know once you gullible idiots see it, you will be upset. What does that tell you about your deal that you locked yourselves into?

Originally Posted by pagey

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2: You were wrong but you're still right? Ok.

3: So you don't have that in writing? And you have "sources".....Right. I'm sure they know exactly what the NC talks about behind both closed doors and a NDA.

4: You can't answer a simple question?

5: I have stated that I voted no. I didn't use it to displace blame. I also have stated that I completely understand why people voted yes.

You have become one of the more hostile Eagle posters and clearly cannot have an adult conversation without calling us names.

Originally Posted by JT8D

You PSA'ers are like a hooker who puts out before getting paid and then demands the money while being shoved out the door. Only difference is that you don't have some pimp to back you up.