Washed Out Of PSA
12-05-2014 | 09:53 AM
#41
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Some pilots will never have failed a checkride but will have DUI's, traffic tickets, misdemeanors convictions that they will have to fess up to.
The other thing to consider is you very well might make it through training on your next attempt, but will you make it through your checkride and IOE etc.. Hard to say as we do not know where you are struggling or what your past experience is.
12-05-2014 | 09:54 AM
#42
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You did fail, you FAILED to complete it.
12-05-2014 | 09:58 AM
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I see two problems here. One is that some applications ask you if you've ever been asked to resign by an employer. They may also ask if you've ever failed to complete a part 121 training program/event.
But bottom line, you have spent a short amount of time at two airlines (and i'm certainly not one to judge that), and employers are probably going to want to know why it was so brief. You may be able to tell them it was for personal reasons, or even that you didn't fail a training event. But if they get a copy of your training records from PSA, which I believe they will through PRIA, those may have instructor notes on there, documenting the problems you were having with training. Then you'd look dishonest.
But bottom line, you have spent a short amount of time at two airlines (and i'm certainly not one to judge that), and employers are probably going to want to know why it was so brief. You may be able to tell them it was for personal reasons, or even that you didn't fail a training event. But if they get a copy of your training records from PSA, which I believe they will through PRIA, those may have instructor notes on there, documenting the problems you were having with training. Then you'd look dishonest.
12-05-2014 | 10:00 AM
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I see two problems here. One is that some applications ask you if you've ever been asked to resign by an employer. They may also ask if you've ever failed to complete a part 121 training program/event.
But bottom line, you have spent a short amount of time at two airlines (and i'm certainly not one to judge that), and employers are probably going to want to know why it was so brief. You may be able to tell them it was for personal reasons, or even that you didn't fail a training event. But if they get a copy of your training records from PSA, which I believe they will through PRIA, those may have instructor notes on there, documenting the problems you were having with training. Then you'd look dishonest.
But bottom line, you have spent a short amount of time at two airlines (and i'm certainly not one to judge that), and employers are probably going to want to know why it was so brief. You may be able to tell them it was for personal reasons, or even that you didn't fail a training event. But if they get a copy of your training records from PSA, which I believe they will through PRIA, those may have instructor notes on there, documenting the problems you were having with training. Then you'd look dishonest.
12-05-2014 | 10:04 AM
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It's a TRAINING failure…you must realize and accept that before you can move on. Anyway, good luck. Hope it works out for you!!!
12-05-2014 | 10:04 AM
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A prop is not necessarily easier because it is slower. V1 cuts in a prop are more difficult in my opinion for example.
Instead of starting over, your best bet is to build upon what you already have. Definitely take the sim course. But prior to that, make sure you know the systems, and flows and procedures solid. If you are having trouble with instruments, something as simple as a pc based flight sim can help you with that. Infact the purchased version of the CRJ is pretty good when it comes to the using the navigation and flight automation stuff. Spend a month doing that, then go back and knock it out at PSA.
As for if it's going to be on your PRIA, don't worry about it too much right now. It's going to be a couple years before you have the time to go anywhere anyway. This works in your favor because you will put distance between you and the failures, as well as add multiple successful checkrides to your resume. When you do go back and pass training, have some sort of plan for continuing your education. What I mean by that is, don't wait until 2 weeks before recurrent to have a cram session. Make a diagram of each systems, right notes on them, and review one or two systems each trip while you are sitting there doing nothing in cruise. Of course find time to review your GOM and memory items as well. You are going to want to nail each checkride, and especially that captain upgrade, in order to have a good shot at explaining away two initial failures.
Instead of starting over, your best bet is to build upon what you already have. Definitely take the sim course. But prior to that, make sure you know the systems, and flows and procedures solid. If you are having trouble with instruments, something as simple as a pc based flight sim can help you with that. Infact the purchased version of the CRJ is pretty good when it comes to the using the navigation and flight automation stuff. Spend a month doing that, then go back and knock it out at PSA.
As for if it's going to be on your PRIA, don't worry about it too much right now. It's going to be a couple years before you have the time to go anywhere anyway. This works in your favor because you will put distance between you and the failures, as well as add multiple successful checkrides to your resume. When you do go back and pass training, have some sort of plan for continuing your education. What I mean by that is, don't wait until 2 weeks before recurrent to have a cram session. Make a diagram of each systems, right notes on them, and review one or two systems each trip while you are sitting there doing nothing in cruise. Of course find time to review your GOM and memory items as well. You are going to want to nail each checkride, and especially that captain upgrade, in order to have a good shot at explaining away two initial failures.
Take the advise people are trying to give to you, which appears you don't want to take... Go get a 135 job the airlines are not for you yet.
12-05-2014 | 10:04 AM
#49
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Therefore... Get better or try something else. Like people keep asking, what caused the failure to complete? What's your total time and experience? Do you really feel this is something you are cut out for? It's not just your career.... It's people's lives.
Hope you are able to deal with this situation. I don't envy you and am sure it's tough.
12-05-2014 | 10:05 AM
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Some outfits do not report PRIA before the checkride, it has to do with whether you were an actual employee of the company or not. Call HR and simply ask if they are going to put it in there or not. You should also request copies of your pilot records whenever you apply to the next company- you can see what's in the file.
As for what he should do, two failures is not a great start in airlines but maybe he can make a long term project out of it rather than short term. Get a job flying a piston twin for a year and see how you do at that.
As for what he should do, two failures is not a great start in airlines but maybe he can make a long term project out of it rather than short term. Get a job flying a piston twin for a year and see how you do at that.
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