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06-23-2015 | 06:00 AM

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skyxbomb

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Oh and I wouldn't hold my breathe for our SSP. Worst rumor I've heard is keep it at 4 a month but turn it into a flow. So essentially, we're saving the company the time and resources for the useless interviews that are more of a courtesy than screening.

06-23-2015 | 06:26 AM

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cartean

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From: CRJ

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Originally Posted by 404yxl

The PSA interview only guarantees that the new hire PSA pilot today will take 20 years to get to AA if they pass the interview. Envoy is 6 years, but they already passed the interview when they got hired at Envoy. 20 years is a long time to wait a non-guaranteed thing.

Envoy is six years?!?!? Pleas enlighten us and tell us the last group that flowed how long were they at envoy?

06-23-2015 | 06:34 AM

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RJ Pilot

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Originally Posted by cartean

Envoy is six years?!?!? Pleas enlighten us and tell us the last group that flowed how long were they at envoy?

Its NOT 6 years. In fact, for the month of June, envoy sent 0-zero flows while PDT/PSA sent 5 to mainline.

Once again, them boys at envoy got played.

Good Luck!

06-23-2015 | 06:39 AM

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Salukipilot4590

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Originally Posted by skyxbomb

I think he was being facetious. I agree 2500 hours is plenty to upgrade. However I don't agree with someone having no time in the equipment upgrading after 30-40 hours. If you have 10k hours with a few types then it's another story. But someone with min requirement is still trying to figure things out, so putting him/her in an unfamiliar type, in a new company, different routes and airports is a bad combo. Unless you're super pilot, then you're good to go!

Well that's how EVERY airline with multiple types works. You fly as an FO on one type then you upgrade on another type...whichever you can hold.

If they can pass training they're good to go...unless the training department sucks or has no standards.

06-23-2015 | 06:55 AM

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Slick111

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Originally Posted by Dunkin

.......... AAG doesn't want any pilot to stay longer than 8 years at any wholy owned to keep their labor costs down ......

So then why did AAG fight so hard for the 12/4 pay caps. They may have "sold" the pay caps as being a non-issue, since no one will be at a wholly-owned for more than 8 years,...... but in reality, it may have been Dougie's plan all-along to leave as many pay-capped pilots at his regional(s) as possible.

Dougie is not stupid,....... (or trustworthy).

06-23-2015 | 07:58 AM

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sevenforseven

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Originally Posted by MitchRapp

You must not have been around less than a decade ago when guys were upgrading with 1500 TT and ATP mins.

What are you talking about? As I recall a decade ago, 2500 TT was the bare minimum to even get an interview at a regional!

06-23-2015 | 08:21 AM

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pagey

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Originally Posted by sevenforseven

What are you talking about? As I recall a decade ago, 2500 TT was the bare minimum to even get an interview at a regional!

In 2005 you could get hired at most regionals not named Skywest with 250TT.

06-23-2015 | 08:35 AM

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404yxl

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Originally Posted by billyho

So what??? Take your direct left seat get your PIC time and apply to Delta or United. People get only here acting like American is the only place to take your talents too.

PSA is advertising a flow/SSP when it has no benefit in it's current form to a new hire.

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Originally Posted by Drofdeb

CP and senior captain briefed recent interviewees. My good friend just did their DEC interview. It will take a new hire 26 years to get the interview/flow at AA. These are the Chief pilot's words. This is not a good reason to go to PSA.

That's true. Use to be 20 years, but probably 26 right now for a new hire and increasing. Pointless benefit to those hired in the last year.

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Originally Posted by FirstClass

That would be a big mistake, don't come here for a flow. Don't go anywhere for a flow.

Good advice for PSA. However, the Envoy flow is a benefit to those going there and the Endeavor SSP is fairly decent benefit on top of their starting pay of $45,000/year.

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Originally Posted by cartean

Envoy is six years?!?!? Pleas enlighten us and tell us the last group that flowed how long were they at envoy?

Why would the length it took the last group to flow have any bearing on a pilot hired there now?

Your flow time is only dependent on the attrition above you and the hiring at mainline. Unless you think age 65 will go away, pilots can magically fly with no medical issues for age infinity, the economy will crash, and the airlines shrink, there is nothing holding back the hiring at mainline.