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Old 02-09-2016 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
In my opinion it 90% likely we will never have critical pay in the same form it was in pre-October 14. Same with the chances of back pay.

I think the best situation for the pilot group and company is negotiating for 150% SDO with a 4-hour min day in exchange for eliminating critical. We would also have to get stronger language on reserve buffers. That is only my opinion. A lot of hard liners would probably disagree.
I wouldn't agree with that in exchange for the current process we have now. Critical pay is suppose to keep them honest with regards to min reserves needed, if there are no repercussions for going below the min reserve level we will see black numbers on the reserve grid 100% of the time. At XJT everyday was negative so nobody could trade a crappy 4 day for a nice 3 day after the ILIW (aka SAP), the critical level prevents that and gives all the round 2 pilots a chance to move their entire schedules around. I was originally on SCR for xmas and new years and was able to trade those days off becuase they were green, if we compromised on critical language I would have been stuck working those days so not worth it for 4 hour min day and 150% SDO. I make more credit with more days off the way we have it now even with critical pay not being available.
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Old 02-09-2016 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
I wouldn't agree with that in exchange for the current process we have now. Critical pay is suppose to keep them honest with regards to min reserves needed, if there are no repercussions for going below the min reserve level we will see black numbers on the reserve grid 100% of the time. At XJT everyday was negative so nobody could trade a crappy 4 day for a nice 3 day after the ILIW (aka SAP), the critical level prevents that and gives all the round 2 pilots a chance to move their entire schedules around. I was originally on SCR for xmas and new years and was able to trade those days off becuase they were green, if we compromised on critical language I would have been stuck working those days so not worth it for 4 hour min day and 150% SDO. I make more credit with more days off the way we have it now even with critical pay not being available.
You were obviously not at psa when the full critical pay was active. Give it time, soon you will understand what is currently going on with the current buffer system is not desirable. In my post you quoted I said I want better language on buffers because we need better language as it is and getting rid of critical completely would require better language. something along the lines of a specific detailed formula the company must use. The only language we have now is "the company must set reasonable buffers." Tell me how iron clad that is? I've put a lot thought into this, it's merely just my opinion. Everyone has their own and I respect yours.
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Old 02-09-2016 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Zero hour lines. Har! We'd like that!

And true, the FAA isn't stupid enough to let you guys into ASE.
What is so special about Aspen? Been there, done that. Try landing at SBH and then give me a call.
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Old 02-09-2016 | 04:25 PM
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I've got hundreds of hours of mountain flying time, east coast and west coast. I have no clue why these pilots keep coming on here acting like flying to ASE is even a big deal? It simply isn't. We don't fly into ASE because we don't fly anywhere near there currently.
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Old 02-09-2016 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
You were obviously not at psa when the full critical pay was active. Give it time, soon you will understand what is currently going on with the current buffer system is not desirable. In my post you quoted I said I want better language on buffers because we need better language as it is and getting rid of critical completely would require better language. something along the lines of a specific detailed formula the company must use. The only language we have now is "the company must set reasonable buffers." Tell me how iron clad that is? I've put a lot thought into this, it's merely just my opinion. Everyone has their own and I respect yours.
I would say "The company must set reasonable buffers" would exclude the company from having a reserve buffer set into negative numbers. What exactly is a negative person? Can that exist?

I think there is absolutely no way we ever return to the "glory days", so to speak, of critical pay a la spring/summer 2014. We better get something damn good in exchange.

I'm also nervous that if anything actually does come to a vote that the junior pilots will not know what they are giving up. The money making potential with the critical pay was astronomical. 180-200 hours was very obtainable at 11-12 days off.
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Old 02-09-2016 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by pagey
I would say "The company must set reasonable buffers" would exclude the company from having a reserve buffer set into negative numbers. What exactly is a negative person? Can that exist?

I think there is absolutely no way we ever return to the "glory days", so to speak, of critical pay a la spring/summer 2014. We better get something damn good in exchange.

I'm also nervous that if anything actually does come to a vote that the junior pilots will not know what they are giving up. The money making potential with the critical pay was astronomical. 180-200 hours was very obtainable at 11-12 days off.
I agree, what they are doing now with the negitive buffers does not agree with how reasonable poeple would interpret the contract. That is why we need better language regarding what the company can and can't do with buffers.
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Old 02-09-2016 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
It's funny to see all you jealous idiots come on another companies thread to try and bash them.

You're an idiot, lack reading comprehension or both. Maybe some day you'll figure out the issue isn't the contract but rather the company willfully violating the contract. Keep crying on other companies threads.
Clever....
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Old 02-09-2016 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by joek
Our 2013 Contract had nothing to do with the jetzzzzzzz.
What about an LOA that was passed around August or September 2013?
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Old 02-09-2016 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Zero hour lines. Har! We'd like that!

And true, the FAA isn't stupid enough to let you guys into ASE.
Take it easy A$$biter.
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Old 02-09-2016 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I've got hundreds of hours of mountain flying time, east coast and west coast. I have no clue why these pilots keep coming on here acting like flying to ASE is even a big deal? It simply isn't. We don't fly into ASE because we don't fly anywhere near there currently.
That's all they got. At some point they will get stapled on to the bottom and this argument will be over.
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