FAA Proposes 1500-Hour Rule Changes
11-07-2017, 06:49 AM
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Nothing but pay is going to fix staffing issues at regionals. To someone who doesn’t know about flying, what’s the difference between 500 and 1500 hours? They probably don’t even know how long it may take to reach either total. All they see is the sticker price and it is not attractive (on top of their college loans, no less). I think if these reg proposals pass then we may see a short burst of new hires. It’ll be those people already time building and invested. But regional wages will stall once again and we’ll be in the same place. It just won’t be attractive to the common person. But I hope it doesn’t happen at all so we continue seeing better and better pay rates sooner than later.
11-07-2017, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
If people aren't getting into aviation because they don't want to build 1,000 hours they aren't suddenly going to do it when they have to build 500. There's still 40k+ in training costs. This may stem the bleeding for awhile but long term it will probably exacerbate the shortage by hiring away flight instructors even earlier.
What's the easier sell:
a) Pilot Shortage
b) Airlines want to cut costs at their pilot academies
Right now they can plausibly deny b). But not in five years.
11-07-2017, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by knewyork
Nothing but pay is going to fix staffing issues at regionals. To someone who doesn’t know about flying, what’s the difference between 500 and 1500 hours? They probably don’t even know how long it may take to reach either total. All they see is the sticker price and it is not attractive (on top of their college loans, no less). I think if these reg proposals pass then we may see a short burst of new hires. It’ll be those people already time building and invested. But regional wages will stall once again and we’ll be in the same place. It just won’t be attractive to the common person. But I hope it doesn’t happen at all so we continue seeing better and better pay rates sooner than later.
11-07-2017, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
If people aren't getting into aviation because they don't want to build 1,000 hours they aren't suddenly going to do it when they have to build 500. There's still 40k+ in training costs. This may stem the bleeding for awhile but long term it will probably exacerbate the shortage by hiring away flight instructors even earlier.
Not that it matters, I hear regional airline training is providing remedial flight training to those who show deficiencies in basic flight procedures and skills.
11-07-2017, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Ninja
You'd be shocked as to what's going on these days. I know CFIs that are doctoring their logbooks and padding it with real (1.0 flight becomes 1.2) and fake flights. Whatever hours they require is a non-issue. How are you going to prove the log entries are fake? It takes a lot of effort to detect, accuse, investigate, follow-up, etc.
But your forgery had better be darn good because majors do care, and some of them audit books. And they have people who are good at it. Even more dangerous nowdays... internet is forever. That P-51 time you logged in N123YZ in CA on 19 Aug 2017? Well flightaware shows it was IFR in FL on that day...
11-07-2017, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Regionals won't care (wink, wink).
But your forgery had better be darn good because majors do care, and some of them audit books. And they have people who are good at it. Even more dangerous nowdays... internet is forever. That P-51 time you logged in N123YZ in CA on 19 Aug 2017? Well flightaware shows it was IFR in FL on that day...
But your forgery had better be darn good because majors do care, and some of them audit books. And they have people who are good at it. Even more dangerous nowdays... internet is forever. That P-51 time you logged in N123YZ in CA on 19 Aug 2017? Well flightaware shows it was IFR in FL on that day...
11-07-2017, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Regionals won't care (wink, wink).
But your forgery had better be darn good because majors do care, and some of them audit books. And they have people who are good at it. Even more dangerous nowdays... internet is forever. That P-51 time you logged in N123YZ in CA on 19 Aug 2017? Well flightaware shows it was IFR in FL on that day...
But your forgery had better be darn good because majors do care, and some of them audit books. And they have people who are good at it. Even more dangerous nowdays... internet is forever. That P-51 time you logged in N123YZ in CA on 19 Aug 2017? Well flightaware shows it was IFR in FL on that day...
11-07-2017, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
When you are hiring hundreds to thousands of pilots a year, no one has time to inspect a logbook that closely. When someone is assigned to review a stack of logbooks, the flip to each tabbed checkride to see if there were any repeats and then look at maybe one or two other flights before they move on to the next one. Odds are the type of person that forges their logbook has personality traits that the interviewers will catch.
11-07-2017, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
When you are hiring hundreds to thousands of pilots a year, no one has time to inspect a logbook that closely. When someone is assigned to review a stack of logbooks, the flip to each tabbed checkride to see if there were any repeats and then look at maybe one or two other flights before they move on to the next one. Odds are the type of person that forges their logbook has personality traits that the interviewers will catch.
Do people get away with it? Yes, likely more than get caught. But the odds of getting caught are greater than minuscule.
Again, I'm talking about majors. At this point most regionals probably want you to pencil-whip your book so they can get you in class faster (they don't care if it bites you in the rear later).
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