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Old 11-06-2017, 05:16 PM
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The plan reduces the hour requirement to as low as 500 hours for a restricted ATP.

If this makes its way into law, which seems likely considering the Congressional committee also approved a reduction, regional salaries are likely to drop back to pre-2015 levels.

Now more than ever it is important for high pay rates to be contractual and not in the form of signing bonuses which can be taken away overnight. Sure hope 9E approves that TA while they still have the chance.
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The article says the requirement will be reduced to 750 hours for pilots with a bachelors degree. Is that any degree? Or just an avaition degree? If it’s just an aviation degree, it won’t help at all.
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Wow that definitely will set us back 10 years. If that happens, the pay will be unlikely to attract many new pilots. History repeating itself....
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Originally Posted by iahflyr View Post
The article says the requirement will be reduced to 750 hours for pilots with a bachelors degree. Is that any degree? Or just an avaition degree? If it’s just an aviation degree, it won’t help at all.
Curious myself. Don’t see how a run of the mill bachelors/associates can qualify you for a reduced requirement. But i could be wrong...
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The article says the requirement will be reduced to 750 hours for pilots with a bachelors degree. Is that any degree? Or just an avaition degree? If it’s just an aviation degree, it won’t help at all.
There are two plans, one backed by ALPA, another backed by nearly every other interested party.

The first plan reduces each current Restricted-ATP tier by 250 hours. Military would be 500, Bachelors would be 750, and Associates 1000.

The second plan is a "variable" credit where all tiers are reduced to 500 hours.

As far as I can tell, the hourly reductions are still limited to those with degrees in aviation (and having completed their training 141 at the university).
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If people aren't getting into aviation because they don't want to build 1,000 hours they aren't suddenly going to do it when they have to build 500. There's still 40k+ in training costs. This may stem the bleeding for awhile but long term it will probably exacerbate the shortage by hiring away flight instructors even earlier.
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ALPA has a call to action open to ALPA and non-ALPA members. Send their form letter to your representatives.

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Originally Posted by flybywp View Post
There are two plans, one backed by ALPA, another backed by nearly every other interested party.



The first plan reduces each current Restricted-ATP tier by 250 hours. Military would be 500, Bachelors would be 750, and Associates 1000.



The second plan is a "variable" credit where all tiers are reduced to 500 hours.



As far as I can tell, the hourly reductions are still limited to those with degrees in aviation (and having completed their training 141 at the university).

That article says ALPA supports one of those reduced hour pathways. That is not true. Here is ALPA's press release concerning this Advisory Review Committee report.

http://www.alpa.org/news-and-events/...ecommendations


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The plan reduces the hour requirement to as low as 500 hours for a restricted ATP.



If this makes its way into law, which seems likely considering the Congressional committee also approved a reduction, regional salaries are likely to drop back to pre-2015 levels.



Now more than ever it is important for high pay rates to be contractual and not in the form of signing bonuses which can be taken away overnight. Sure hope 9E approves that TA while they still have the chance.

This was just a report released by the FAA Advisory and Rulemaking committee. It holds no legal weight as it's just a recommendation, that wasn't reached in consensus.
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Please stickie this like in the major forum.

It is in the interest of everyone in the entire industry.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon View Post
If people aren't getting into aviation because they don't want to build 1,000 hours they aren't suddenly going to do it when they have to build 500. There's still 40k+ in training costs. This may stem the bleeding for awhile but long term it will probably exacerbate the shortage by hiring away flight instructors even earlier.


This, exactly! It’s a short term stop-gap that fails to address the root cause. Probably the next step towards ab-initio...


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