CJ-900 floating tendency
05-21-2018, 10:55 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by AirlineMerc
Sooooo...you’re trained in the 200, but haven’t actually flown it yet?
The floating comes more from trying to bring it down without people’s teeth ending up on the floor. As said previously, you’re chopping the power at 10 feet. They’ll tell you in the sim to chop it at 50, but that’s how you slam it down. The only real way to bring it down on the 1000-footers is if you bring it in with three red on the PAPI....which is against everything you’re trained to do in the 121 world....or if you don’t mind a firm landing. But really, all that matters on a long runway is bringing it down in the TDZ.
The floating comes more from trying to bring it down without people’s teeth ending up on the floor. As said previously, you’re chopping the power at 10 feet. They’ll tell you in the sim to chop it at 50, but that’s how you slam it down. The only real way to bring it down on the 1000-footers is if you bring it in with three red on the PAPI....which is against everything you’re trained to do in the 121 world....or if you don’t mind a firm landing. But really, all that matters on a long runway is bringing it down in the TDZ.
05-22-2018, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MidnightHauler
I don't know what sim instructors told you to chop the power at 50 ft on the 900, but the instructors always told us NOT to do that. Keep a little power in to the 10 ft call, then slowly (not slamming) bring the TLs to the stops. The problem with the 900 is the extra length and weight added aft of the wing. When power is pulled out, it sorta squats instead of settling.
05-22-2018, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AirlineMerc
Well, you’re not the first on this forum to suggest I’m a liar, but that’s what we were taught in the sim. It wasn’t until IOE that I was told that it’s a simism and that’s why it’s done that way in the sim but don’t do that in the real one.
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05-22-2018, 07:04 AM
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During my last PT a few months back the sim instructor was mentioning something about the touchdown zone definition has changed or something similar. It was 2 in the morning after the session so I was zoned out but after reading this it just came to mind. I'll have to google it after this but I vaguely remember him saying its not the first third of the runway. Why am I doing this on my days off?
05-22-2018, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Quarryman
The secret to a good landing is to not give a $hit. Over think it and it comes out wrong every time.
05-22-2018, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
Not sure I get this. Usually when you don’t care that’s when it all goes wrong. The secret to good landings is having the plane properly trimmed or even with a bit of nose up trim so that actually you’re pushing down on touchdown. If you’re doing that you’ll grease it everytime.
If you are sweating bullets all the way down final worried about greasing it the potential for a clunker goes up exponentially.
05-22-2018, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JayBee
He's essentially saying (I think) to just fly the dang thing. Not giving a crap =/= not doing your job in this case.
If you are sweating bullets all the way down final worried about greasing it the potential for a clunker goes up exponentially.
If you are sweating bullets all the way down final worried about greasing it the potential for a clunker goes up exponentially.
Yes, just like skiing moguls. You just have to roll with it and go with the flow to a degree and not tense up. You want to wear the airplane, not let it fly you.
Assuming stable approach and some sort of flare before impact...
05-22-2018, 09:26 PM
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I gave up trying to land the funky Q400 consistently smooth about 6 months after IOE. The more I stressed about making a good landing the worse I would do, and that was taking the fun out of the job. I would say 1 in 4 landings are smooth, the rest are clunkers and sometimes a whole trip of clunkers is all I get. Maybe I’m just a $*it pilot tho 
I know nothing about the CRJ900 but I would think it has to be a different sight picture and technique than the 200. Floating the plane out of the TDZ is one thing but if you missed the 1000’ footers you still have 1500-2000 more feet to go on most runways before you are now out of the TDZ. Just out of curiosity how long was the runway that you noticed these “floating” arrivals? Unless I have a RW less than 7000 I don’t specifically aim to land exactly on the 1000 footers, just somewhere in that general area or until the CA starts squirming then I’ll settle the power back smash her in and call it a day :P
I know nothing about the CRJ900 but I would think it has to be a different sight picture and technique than the 200. Floating the plane out of the TDZ is one thing but if you missed the 1000’ footers you still have 1500-2000 more feet to go on most runways before you are now out of the TDZ. Just out of curiosity how long was the runway that you noticed these “floating” arrivals? Unless I have a RW less than 7000 I don’t specifically aim to land exactly on the 1000 footers, just somewhere in that general area or until the CA starts squirming then I’ll settle the power back smash her in and call it a day :P
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