Originally Posted by poorflyer

The Russian front was pleasant and fun, comrade. Please report to the Kremlin for reeducation.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Which isn't the exception that proves the rule, merely a more vivid example. I recall back in my college days a paper some social anthropologist had written about "the decline of stoicism in American culture." It sounded kind of bogus to me but it was assigned reading so I read it. It was a review of all the daily journals that had been written by the Donner Party. Daily journals - apparently - were a big thing with the wagon train crowd to document their journey out to the West.

For those of you who never had to take California history as a high school graduation requirement, I'll give you some quick background.

The Donner Party was a wagon train going to California that got a late start, were slowed further by some rains and flooding, and got to Donner Pass about five or six six weeks later than they might have wished. An early blizzard hit and they got trapped there. Between avalanches and twenty-five foot drifts, you just can't move a Conestoga wagon. Some people died trying and were buried in the drifts. Trapped just short of safety, they had already gone through most of their supplies, so the oxen went first, then the mules, then the horses. Still starving and unable to move, they dug up their dead and ste them too.

The point is, in all the diaries, both of the ones who survived and the ones who didn't, there was no whining. There was no poor pitiful me. The researcher said the closest she came to whining was one entry where a survivor said that it had been "an uncommonly cold winter..."

Now I'm not trying to get into a contest as to who had things worse, but the point is that whining is unseemly. Cowboy up, Fer gawds sake.

If you don't want to be in a regional, go do something else. But don't whine incessantly. You're just coming across as a wuss.

Originally Posted by trip

You have to wonder why they didn't retreat to Washoe valley? It's not far, downhill like a mutha the whole way. The Washoe Indians also wondered why they stayed up at the pass all winter, starving. They checked in on them and brought some occasional deer meat, when they seen them eating the dead they were shocked.

Originally Posted by MaxQ

Especially if you were Russian

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

My regional pay for a CRJ-200

1st yr - 20.73/hr
2nd yr - 24.39/hr
3rd yr - 30.09/hr
4th yr - 33.28/hr
5th yr - 38.70/hr, new contract hit 41.10/hr

No bonuses. Nothing extra. No profit share. No upgrades. FO entire time.



......and I had it pretty good all things considered.


Recently in my jumpseat I had a guy complain he has to wait to get 1,000 hrs before he can upgrade, even though he can hold the upgrade seniority. And how this is delaying him getting to Delta!

Originally Posted by Approach1260

It's very true that things are better now than they were before, but the airlines didn't raise pay and quality of life out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they thought the pilots earned it.

They raised pay because after years of stagnant wages and an ever increasing barrier to entry (1,500 hour rule was the turning point), new pilots made the judgement call that they couldn't afford to go to the airlines and still pay off their training.

It was these new young pilots saying no to the way things have always been that forced Airline Managers to finally start having to compete with each other to keep New Hires coming in the door.

For example PSA was hiring between 3 and 5 a month until they finally raised pay. Now we've been stagnant for a while and the numbers are dropping off again because new pilots are going to more lucrative regionals, which in turn puts pressure on management to make changes to stay competitive with their hiring.

The good old days were rough, but the new guys and gals coming in who want to be treated better are part of the solution not the problem.

Originally Posted by Approach1260

It's very true that things are better now than they were before, but the airlines didn't raise pay and quality of life out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they thought the pilots earned it.

They raised pay because after years of stagnant wages and an ever increasing barrier to entry (1,500 hour rule was the turning point), new pilots made the judgement call that they couldn't afford to go to the airlines and still pay off their training.

It was these new young pilots saying no to the way things have always been that forced Airline Managers to finally start having to compete with each other to keep New Hires coming in the door.

For example PSA was hiring between 3 and 5 a month until they finally raised pay. Now we've been stagnant for a while and the numbers are dropping off again because new pilots are going to more lucrative regionals, which in turn puts pressure on management to make changes to stay competitive with their hiring.

The good old days were rough, but the new guys and gals coming in who want to be treated better are part of the solution not the problem.

Originally Posted by WesternSkies

Nice pseudo science doc.
The people taking c-scale jobs at a regional are helping to drive wages higher? Are you high? Like there is some organization to your job taking? You are looking through a straw.