Regional lifers. Why are they stuck?
03-28-2019 | 07:44 PM
#131
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2-3 months after IOE on 175 DFW FO. 11/18 is the junior lineholder.
The airlines where who don't have reserves are the worst. That means lineholders ARE the reserve, which means you have no quality of life, even as a lineholder.
The airlines where who don't have reserves are the worst. That means lineholders ARE the reserve, which means you have no quality of life, even as a lineholder.
03-28-2019 | 07:46 PM
#132
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I keep hearing about the preferential hiring of females and minorities. Personally, as a female, I’ve not experienced it. Regardless of my chromosomes, I worked my ass off and passed my checkrides. I have a college degree. I was a damn good CFI and I studied for my airline interviews. I dressed professionally and interviewed well. I have only applied to the regionals and felt like I was as competitive as a CFI candidate could get. Maybe the majors are different? I guess I don’t understand at what point being a woman is going to be that much of an advantage. Honestly, if they are handing out jobs at the majors based on being female, I’m not going to say no. “You want to hand me a job for something completely out of my control? Ok.” It just seems like the female/minority thing is such a rumor to me. Does anyone have any hard facts that being female or a minority really boosts the resume that much?
03-28-2019 | 09:16 PM
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I keep hearing about the preferential hiring of females and minorities. Personally, as a female, I’ve not experienced it. Regardless of my chromosomes, I worked my ass off and passed my checkrides. I have a college degree. I was a damn good CFI and I studied for my airline interviews. I dressed professionally and interviewed well. I have only applied to the regionals and felt like I was as competitive as a CFI candidate could get. Maybe the majors are different? I guess I don’t understand at what point being a woman is going to be that much of an advantage. Honestly, if they are handing out jobs at the majors based on being female, I’m not going to say no. “You want to hand me a job for something completely out of my control? Ok.” It just seems like the female/minority thing is such a rumor to me. Does anyone have any hard facts that being female or a minority really boosts the resume that much?
I'm not blaming the females and minorities who were hired, hell I would have jumped at the opportunity myself had I been in that position. But it breeds contempt amongst other pilots that know that they were only hired because of their sex or race and not their ability or experience as everyone else was. Hence the "permanent FO's" someone mentioned at some majors.
Like anyone else, no one likes to be discriminated against to the benefit of others who are less qualified.
It's not like that today thankfully. Good luck in your career and best wishes.
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03-29-2019 | 02:46 AM
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There are literally hundreds of 145 FO’s at Envoy in the 12+ month reserve graveyard, and you’re complaining about being a lineholder.
Don’t listen to this crybaby.
03-29-2019 | 05:03 AM
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That’s not what I said was it? Envoy is not short staffed and Envoy does have reserves.
03-29-2019 | 06:16 AM
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Where is this 12 month 145 reserve because I know someone hired in December who has 80 people below him already.
03-29-2019 | 07:39 AM
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I keep hearing about the preferential hiring of females and minorities. Personally, as a female, I’ve not experienced it. Regardless of my chromosomes, I worked my ass off and passed my checkrides. I have a college degree. I was a damn good CFI and I studied for my airline interviews. I dressed professionally and interviewed well. I have only applied to the regionals and felt like I was as competitive as a CFI candidate could get. Maybe the majors are different?
guess I don’t understand at what point being a woman is going to be that much of an advantage. Honestly, if they are handing out jobs at the majors based on being female, I’m not going to say no. “You want to hand me a job for something completely out of my control? Ok.” It just seems like the female/minority thing is such a rumor to me. Does anyone have any hard facts that being female or a minority really boosts the resume that much?
See what happens relative to your peers with the other chromosomes with similar/same flight experience.
Read the other posts, especially Rickair's, he's pretty much nailed it in various discussions. Here, I'll make it easier;
But the problem with affirmative action in airline hiring is that it's ONLY available to people who have already acquired the foundation...
A non-white/non-male junior regional CA or senior regional FO with a college degree and 5000 hours is not at any sort of disadvantage whatsoever, even though they may have climbed out of a pretty deep hole to get where they are. At the point where you are even remotely competitive for a major, the disadvantage is all behind you.
At that point it's just a very cynical effort on the part of the majors to put numbers on the board and have faces they can put on posters.
With women it's even worse... there's only a "shortage" in aviation because most young girls are not interested in airplanes, and many that are might not be interested in the lifestyle (most of the ones I started out with dropped out over the years to be home for their kids, either left completely or delayed career progression to retain seniority in seat). If there really is some sort of shortage crisis of women (maybe just because they need every new pilot they can get), they need to do outreach in JH, HS, and college. As it is now it's just all the bigs scrambling to scoop up the limited number available. Even a legit early outreach program may be pounding a square peg into a round hole, but I'll leave that choice up to the pegs in question.
A non-white/non-male junior regional CA or senior regional FO with a college degree and 5000 hours is not at any sort of disadvantage whatsoever, even though they may have climbed out of a pretty deep hole to get where they are. At the point where you are even remotely competitive for a major, the disadvantage is all behind you.
At that point it's just a very cynical effort on the part of the majors to put numbers on the board and have faces they can put on posters.
With women it's even worse... there's only a "shortage" in aviation because most young girls are not interested in airplanes, and many that are might not be interested in the lifestyle (most of the ones I started out with dropped out over the years to be home for their kids, either left completely or delayed career progression to retain seniority in seat). If there really is some sort of shortage crisis of women (maybe just because they need every new pilot they can get), they need to do outreach in JH, HS, and college. As it is now it's just all the bigs scrambling to scoop up the limited number available. Even a legit early outreach program may be pounding a square peg into a round hole, but I'll leave that choice up to the pegs in question.
03-29-2019 | 07:57 AM
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Yes
When you get competitive within your demographic, make sure your apps are filled out.
See what happens relative to your peers with the other chromosomes with similar/same flight experience.
Read the other posts, especially Rickair's, he's pretty much nailed it in various discussions. Here, I'll make it easier;
When you get competitive within your demographic, make sure your apps are filled out.
See what happens relative to your peers with the other chromosomes with similar/same flight experience.
Read the other posts, especially Rickair's, he's pretty much nailed it in various discussions. Here, I'll make it easier;
Send both of their apps into the majors, and my money is on the female to get an interview and be hired first. I'm not saying the male wouldn't be hired also or eventually, but if they're vying for one spot, it's not even a contest.
Who would you put your money on?
03-29-2019 | 08:05 AM
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Take two pilots, one white male, the other a female. Same flight times, ratings, education, training records, background, basically all things being equal.
Send both of their apps into the majors, and my money is on the female to get an interview and be hired first. I'm not saying the male wouldn't be hired also or eventually, but if they're vying for one spot, it's not even a contest.
Who would you put your money on?
Send both of their apps into the majors, and my money is on the female to get an interview and be hired first. I'm not saying the male wouldn't be hired also or eventually, but if they're vying for one spot, it's not even a contest.
Who would you put your money on?
03-29-2019 | 08:18 AM
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True
Also true.
Also true; The hiring of non MD/AWD has a minimal more like negligible affect on the overall against a MD/AWD.
But sadly, there should be NO "just like you" in the interview selection process when EEOC criteria comes into play.
Also true.
Also true; The hiring of non MD/AWD has a minimal more like negligible affect on the overall against a MD/AWD.
But sadly, there should be NO "just like you" in the interview selection process when EEOC criteria comes into play.
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