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Originally Posted by rld1k
(Post 2803255)
Then why don't you change all the recruiting literature to stop advertising 5-6 yr flow?
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2803567)
It currently is a pay shortage. In a few years it becomes a physical shortage. Basic math.
Either way, the end result is a shortage of pilots. I think the 91/135 sector will be worst off. Lots of corporate flight depts will close, because they just can't pay the money ATP rated pilots will want, when legacies start hiring at 100%. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2803572)
The only thing that can prevent the shortage in the next few years is a black swan 9/11 style event. Then the airlines could retire to shrink without needing new pilots to replace the old ones.
I think the 91/135 sector will be worst off. Lots of corporate flight depts will close, because they just can't pay the money ATP rated pilots will want, when legacies start hiring at 100%. I’ll add that you’ll see fantastic work rule improvements outside of 121 scheduled passenger service. It’s already happening with positive space to/from work. Hotels, never a crashpad. Totally free benefits company paid. 1 small regional is already offering home basing and positive space tickets, and no crashpads. It will eventually become expected as the shortage deepens. |
Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 2803399)
Never trust a flow agreement.
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
(Post 2803645)
Why not?
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
(Post 2803645)
Why not?
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2803563)
It’s an LCC, and his question was for flow to a major.
That’s AA, Delta, United, Fedex, UPS (all global airlines) LCC Southwest (just got ETOPS, an almost major, kinda in the middle) JetBlue Spirit Frontier Allegiant Sun Country No a major is actually defined by revenue. It has been redefined in some respect as a 121 jet carrier where the paint matched the name on the paycheck. All those LCCs are majors, just not the same tier as one another. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by 4V14T0R
(Post 2803788)
No a major is actually defined by revenue. It has been redefined in some respect as a 121 jet carrier where the paint matched the name on the paycheck. All those LCCs are majors, just not the same tier as one another.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The industry itself considers majors to operate at least some NB aircraft, sell tickets, and operate under their own brand. Legacies did interstate air service prior to deregulation. They use a hub and spoke model, to one degree or another. Most regionals are actually FFD, flying in some legacies paint. There are few small branded commuters left. The APC airline profiles reflect the "industry standard" definitions. We don't try to distinguish between national, LCC, ULCC as that is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2803887)
The federal government definition of a major is by revenue, X billion $.
The industry itself considers majors to operate at least some NB aircraft, sell tickets, and operate under their own brand. Legacies did interstate air service prior to deregulation. They use a hub and spoke model, to one degree or another. Most regionals are actually FFD, flying in some legacies paint. There are few small branded commuters left. The APC airline profiles reflect the "industry standard" definitions. We don't try to distinguish between national, LCC, ULCC as that is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Agreed. If it were just revenue, many ACMI carriers would be listed as major airlines. Likewise, simply flying the same size aircraft does not a major airline make. All of the legacy/major airlines are global airlines. An LCC that does a few Mexico, South America, or similar destinations is not a global major airline We have legacy/major National / LCC Regional ACMI (can’t say cargo, since there are passenger only ACMI) A Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant, Sun Country and the rest of the National LCC’s are not legacy or major airlines. An example. People still run to leave a Frontier, Allegiant or Spirit when a Delta, United or American calls.... they just aren’t the same category carrier. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2803909)
Agreed. If it were just revenue, many ACMI carriers would be listed as major airlines.
Likewise, simply flying the same size aircraft does not a major airline make. All of the legacy/major airlines are global airlines. An LCC that does a few Mexico, South America, or similar destinations is not a global major airline We have legacy/major National / LCC Regional ACMI (can’t say cargo, since there are passenger only ACMI) A Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant, Sun Country and the rest of the National LCC’s are not legacy or major airlines. An example. People still run to leave a Frontier, Allegiant or Spirit when a Delta, United or American calls.... they just aren’t the same category carrier. |
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