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DarkSideMoon 04-17-2019 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by IDrive175 (Post 2804232)
One of the most important things to do when researching what airline to work for is getting objective opinions from people who are already there. If you can’t offer a little CRM to someone like that, maybe it’s you who doesn’t belong in a cockpit.

All the info is available in each regional’s sub forum. OP is just being lazy. It’s the equivalent of asking your instructor a question clearly addressed in the manuals because you can’t be bothered to use the search function on your iPad.

UncreativeUser 04-17-2019 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2804054)
Well you said it perfectly, it gets people in. It's nothing but a recruiting tool. It's why they still pay like garbage.



True, but PSA pays almost as much as Endeavor now


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word302 04-17-2019 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2804674)
True, but PSA pays almost as much as Endeavor now


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Almost, and everyone else will raise wages soon and the WO will again be at the bottom of the barrel. Same song, 27th verse.

Meow1215 04-17-2019 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2804674)
True, but PSA pays almost as much as Endeavor now


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Almost? First year is almost, 2nd on is still pretty far behind. Work rules also leave allot to be desired.

Don’t take this the wrong way, it’s great PSA is not paying the crap it was. That is a wonderful thing. But don’t let anyone pull the wool over your eyes and let you think it’s competitive with 9E. Keep pushing for a better contract.

Will JK 04-17-2019 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2804351)
All the info is available in each regional’s sub forum. OP is just being lazy. It’s the equivalent of asking your instructor a question clearly addressed in the manuals because you can’t be bothered to use the search function on your iPad.

If you actually read my post you would know that I'm asking about the sincerity of pilot recruiters, not what every airline has to offer :)

ninerdriver 04-18-2019 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2804186)
Then they are older or not looking at total career earnings. Not to mention airline size, and equipment, base and global trip variety.

Dude, there are third year FOs at JetBlue pulling down over $170K. Is it $220K? No, but once you're making that much, if you're happy with it, then why does it matter whether you're at the Big 3 or an LCC?

Oh, wait. Because pilots.

DarkSideMoon 04-18-2019 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Will JK (Post 2804707)
If you actually read my post you would know that I'm asking about the sincerity of pilot recruiters, not what every airline has to offer :)

I read your post. You verify the sincerity of the pilot recruiters by research. No one is going to compile all this stuff for you, you have to put in the legwork on your own. You’re committing the next 3-45 years of your life to this airline, are you really going to go with one over the other because a recruiter (whose job it is to staff an airline that can’t attract enough applicants to staff properly) gave you the warm fuzzies? All the info you need to make a solid decision is available publicly, either in these forums or on the airline profiles page. Trust the facts over the sincerity of a recruiter.

vdawson 04-18-2019 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2804872)
I read your post. You verify the sincerity of the pilot recruiters by research. No one is going to compile all this stuff for you, you have to put in the legwork on your own. You’re committing the next 3-45 years of your life to this airline, are you really going to go with one over the other because a recruiter (whose job it is to staff an airline that can’t attract enough applicants to staff properly) gave you the warm fuzzies? All the info you need to make a solid decision is available publicly, either in these forums or on the airline profiles page. Trust the facts over the sincerity of a recruiter.

You could always just move on to the next thread. If he’s lazy, what does taking time out of your day just to demean him make you?

DarkSideMoon 04-18-2019 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by vdawson (Post 2805071)
You could always just move on to the next thread. If he’s lazy, what does taking time out of your day just to demean him make you?

I didn’t “demean” them, I’m pointing out a poor study/research habit that will cause a lot of pain in this career. I was a little curt maybe, because I’m tired of running into unhappy pilots who didn’t do their research and ended up someplace incompatible with their life. I also didn’t say they were lazy, I said they were being lazy. OP may be the hardest working person on the planet for all I know, but asking easily found questions instead of taking the time to click a few threads and read is a lazy action. If I didn’t care I wouldn’t have taken the time to respond at all.

vdawson 04-18-2019 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2805111)
I didn’t “demean” them, I’m pointing out a poor study/research habit that will cause a lot of pain in this career. I was a little curt maybe, because I’m tired of running into unhappy pilots who didn’t do their research and ended up someplace incompatible with their life. I also didn’t say they were lazy, I said they were being lazy. OP may be the hardest working person on the planet for all I know, but asking easily found questions instead of taking the time to click a few threads and read is a lazy action. If I didn’t care I wouldn’t have taken the time to respond at all.

Well the information may be available elsewhere, but I imagine when this forum was started it was with the vision of a place where pilots new to the profession as well as older veterans could come together and learn from each other and share some camaraderie. Any forum I’ve ever been a part of has a tendency to have the same topics come up again and again. It’s just the nature of the beast. Most of the time when that happens new insights are provided, especially given that things change rapidly in the regional airline industry. It’s very flavor of the month.

What is also part of the regional industry is a high percentage of 20 somethings running around pumped full of testosterone and acting like some kind of JR high school look-at-me bully. You aren’t being helpful by telling someone their question is stupid, or telling them that they aren’t cut out for the industry because they asked a question.

The reality of this profession is that anyone of average intelligence can do this job. There is no system in place to reward you for your superior pilot skills. There is a system in place to try and weed out A holes though. You can go much farther in this industry by going out of your way to be polite than you ever can with Chuck Yeager piloting ability. Just trying to help you out and offer some advice that will help you in your career.

Sometimes I see a thread that has been covered and I’m not interested so I move on. Sometimes I skim through and learn something new. This is even more true when someone is asking for opinions, which the OP did. Perceptions change in this industry almost daily. Just cut the guy some slack.


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