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04-30-2019 | 04:46 PM

#71

dera

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Originally Posted by pangolin

76 seaters are not being added to any regional fleet in the US. If they made such a machine it would be to replace existing 76 seat aircraft at best. Considering the cost of an airframe - and the engineering to mount a GTF nacelle on the empennage I can see why they say there’s no savings.

Wait what? XJT is not getting their 175's? Neither is Envoy?

04-30-2019 | 04:52 PM

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Wait what? XJT is not getting their 175's? Neither is Envoy?

I believe they are talking about additional 76 planes at the legacies. All are scoped out and they are just moving numbers around..

04-30-2019 | 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax

I believe they are talking about additional 76 planes at the legacies. All are scoped out and they are just moving numbers around..

So who is losing 14 76-seaters for AA this year because Envoy is getting 14 (or 16) new airframes in 2019.

I believe they are talking out of their a**.

04-30-2019 | 05:08 PM

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So who is losing 14 76-seaters for AA this year because Envoy is getting 14 (or 16) new airframes in 2019.

I believe they are talking out of their a**.

Several aa ffd have lost flying this year. AA is maxed out on scope for 76 seats, especially with the reduction in NB fleet occurring this year.

04-30-2019 | 05:33 PM

#75

dera

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Several aa ffd have lost flying this year. AA is maxed out on scope for 76 seats, especially with the reduction in NB fleet occurring this year.

76 seaters? Who?
Who even provides 76-seat feed for AA? Compass, Envoy, Mesa and Republic? Who of them has lost flying in any meaningful numbers this year?

04-30-2019 | 06:35 PM

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Then why are MIT and emb designing new RJ’s? It’s replacement for current ones

04-30-2019 | 06:39 PM

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Then why are MIT and emb designing new RJ’s? It’s replacement for current ones

Because they misjudged the possibility of further scope relaxation OR misjudged the weight issues with new designs using GTF engines.

GF

04-30-2019 | 08:55 PM

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76 seaters? Who?
Who even provides 76-seat feed for AA? Compass, Envoy, Mesa and Republic? Who of them has lost flying in any meaningful numbers this year?

PSA flies CRJ's exclusively

04-30-2019 | 09:43 PM

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Baradium

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Originally Posted by dera

So who is losing 14 76-seaters for AA this year because Envoy is getting 14 (or 16) new airframes in 2019.

I believe they are talking out of their a**.

AA is just entering negotiations, there has been no scope relaxation. Scope limits are also why United is pulling this CRJ-550 deal and why there are operators flying the EMB-175SC. Even if nothing had been announced yet, planes will come out of service somewhere before Envoy will take new airframes in 76 seat configuration. There is no way around that without a scope change and no mainline group is willing to do it.

04-30-2019 | 09:49 PM

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Then why are MIT and emb designing new RJ’s? It’s replacement for current ones

If they can get one out that makes it into scope limits, it could end up being huge for them. Otherwise, they end up with another plane like the EMB-175E2 that they can't make work.