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Old 04-27-2019 | 06:32 PM
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The MRJ70 is not yet built, it's planned to have 76 seats though to comply with current scope, expected in 2021. Both models will have around 2000 mile range.

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Old 04-28-2019 | 07:52 AM
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Issue isn't that you provide feed, the issue is someone being forced to have to work at your company to eventually get the flow and job at AA. Essentially, it is a 8 to 10 year long interview for the job you want while providing feed at a B scale.
No one is forced to work anywhere
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Old 04-28-2019 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by C37AFE
No one is forced to work anywhere
Unless they someday want to work at a major that has flow and aren't military.

The entire purpose of flow is to staff lower paid jobs and maintain the cost advantage of regionals.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by trip
The MRJ70 is not yet built, it's planned to have 76 seats though to comply with current scope, expected in 2021. Both models will have around 2000 mile range.

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...418-story.html
The MRJ70 in a two class will hold about 70 passengers. It’s still over the scope weight limit of 86,000 lbs so will need to be certified in a shorter range version. It’s a heavy aircraft for the number of seats and I suspect won’t see much commercial success.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 02:39 PM
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The MRJ70 in a two class will hold about 70 passengers. It’s still over the scope weight limit of 86,000 lbs so will need to be certified in a shorter range version. It’s a heavy aircraft for the number of seats and I suspect won’t see much commercial success.
Yep, geared engines are heavy in comparison.
Let's see if United pilots can pull the 76 seater in house and put an end to all this.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The MRJ70 in a two class will hold about 70 passengers. It’s still over the scope weight limit of 86,000 lbs so will need to be certified in a shorter range version. It’s a heavy aircraft for the number of seats and I suspect won’t see much commercial success.
Economically, it doesn't matter if it's heavier, as long as the fuel burn is good enough. Scope is still an issue of course.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by trip
Yep, geared engines are heavy in comparison.
Let's see if United pilots can pull the 76 seater in house and put an end to all this.
I don't think that's happening. I know there's some talk here but I don't think its a serious consideration by the negotiators. We shall see.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Unless they someday want to work at a major that has flow and aren't military.

The entire purpose of flow is to staff lower paid jobs and maintain the B scale advantage of regionals.
Fixed it for you.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Fixed it for you.
No, you didn't.

A B scale is an entirely different issue. The regional model is nefarious in its own way as regional pilots traditionally voted to undercut other groups to get their flying. The shortage at hand has greatly helped prevent that, but the two things are different.

There are many areas to blame for the regional model and its continuity. While I agree that the way regional pilots have been paid (and still are when in direct comparison) is shameful, there is a lot to differentiate it from a B scale.
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Old 04-28-2019 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
No, you didn't.

A B scale is an entirely different issue. The regional model is nefarious in its own way as regional pilots traditionally voted to undercut other groups to get their flying. The shortage at hand has greatly helped prevent that, but the two things are different.

There are many areas to blame for the regional model and its continuity. While I agree that the way regional pilots have been paid (and still are when in direct comparison) is shameful, there is a lot to differentiate it from a B scale.
You're right, it's a B scale + fewer benefits and much worse QOL.
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