10 pilots per plane
03-30-2020, 10:28 AM
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10 pilots per plane
Before the massive attrition started, regionals were staffed up to about 10-11 pilots per plane. With hiring stopped almost everywhere, attrition and staffing will go back to pre-2014 levels. The current surplus covers the inactive pilots going through initial/upgrade training, that’s no longer needed.
Take your regional fleet count multiplied by 10 and that’s where your pilot size should get to after October when airlines can start furloughing.
The pilot shortage leverage is gone, be grateful about the contractual gains locked in during that time period and hold the line on concessions. The managements will certainly try and restart the whipsaw play. Prepare yourself once October hits.
Take your regional fleet count multiplied by 10 and that’s where your pilot size should get to after October when airlines can start furloughing.
The pilot shortage leverage is gone, be grateful about the contractual gains locked in during that time period and hold the line on concessions. The managements will certainly try and restart the whipsaw play. Prepare yourself once October hits.
03-30-2020, 11:13 AM
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I thought this thread was going to be a joke like how may pilots does it take to change a light bulb?
The pilot shortage is not gone, it is on pause but it will be back. The Pandemic is not going to change the fact that the industry has a lot of pilots getting near retirement.
The pilot shortage is not gone, it is on pause but it will be back. The Pandemic is not going to change the fact that the industry has a lot of pilots getting near retirement.
03-30-2020, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
I thought this thread was going to be a joke like how may pilots does it take to change a light bulb?
The pilot shortage is not gone, it is on pause but it will be back. The Pandemic is not going to change the fact that the industry has a lot of pilots getting near retirement.
The pilot shortage is not gone, it is on pause but it will be back. The Pandemic is not going to change the fact that the industry has a lot of pilots getting near retirement.
03-30-2020, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
I thought this thread was going to be a joke like how may pilots does it take to change a light bulb?
The pilot shortage is not gone, it is on pause but it will be back. The Pandemic is not going to change the fact that the industry has a lot of pilots getting near retirement.
The pilot shortage is not gone, it is on pause but it will be back. The Pandemic is not going to change the fact that the industry has a lot of pilots getting near retirement.
Now we have plenty of embry riddle kids in the pipeline as their mainline parents got them in once the industry recovered, pilot shortage solved no need for higher FO pay so you guys better fight to hold onto it.
Every mainline captain has a son or daughter in flight school. Before 2013, mainline pilots told every kid they knew not to become pilots, which created the pilot shortage.
03-30-2020, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Burt123
Even when the music was playing purchasing an airline ticket was still a “luxury” for most Americans.
03-30-2020, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Systemized
Before the massive attrition started, regionals were staffed up to about 10-11 pilots per plane. With hiring stopped almost everywhere, attrition and staffing will go back to pre-2014 levels. The current surplus covers the inactive pilots going through initial/upgrade training, that’s no longer needed.
Take your regional fleet count multiplied by 10 and that’s where your pilot size should get to after October when airlines can start furloughing.
The pilot shortage leverage is gone, be grateful about the contractual gains locked in during that time period and hold the line on concessions. The managements will certainly try and restart the whipsaw play. Prepare yourself once October hits.
Take your regional fleet count multiplied by 10 and that’s where your pilot size should get to after October when airlines can start furloughing.
The pilot shortage leverage is gone, be grateful about the contractual gains locked in during that time period and hold the line on concessions. The managements will certainly try and restart the whipsaw play. Prepare yourself once October hits.
Things are going to be awfully tough...
03-30-2020, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KCaviator
But fleet sizes will shrink too. So take your current fleet size and reduce it by at least a fourth, then multiply by 10.
Things are going to be awfully tough...
Things are going to be awfully tough...
Delta pilots historically are the first to bend over on scope concessions, maybe some Delta RJ growth. United and American will hold the line.
Delta management is also the most ruthless with RJ operators.
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