Future of United Express
07-10-2020 | 03:45 PM
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Sorry I don't have them. It was what I was told by a chief pilot. It made sense since we never had run the 175 down there outside of a few rare flights. This past trip I ran in and out of there six times on a four day. It was supposed to stop last January but it never happened. So I'm not sure why we continue to keep doing IAH trips.
07-10-2020 | 03:49 PM
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Sorry I don't have them. It was what I was told by a chief pilot. It made sense since we never had run the 175 down there outside of a few rare flights. This past trip I ran in and out of there six times on a four day. It was supposed to stop last January but it never happened. So I'm not sure why we continue to keep doing IAH trips.
07-10-2020 | 06:33 PM
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Its no mystery why Skywest does well. No its not because we are cheap. Its because we have a history of being able to step up when other regional fail to uphold there obligations.
Last September, Mesa couldn't cover IAH ER7 routes due to lack of pilots. UA asked Skywest to help. When Horizon had issues years ago with lack of pilots, Skywest was able to step in and cover there routes until Horizon could get proper staffing. It happens all the time, these are just a couple examples and unlikely any regional is going to tell there pilot group they had lost routes because of staffing.
Yes, Skywest is currently doing OK compared to other carriers. But, it's mainly on the ERJ side. Our 200 flying is in the toilet, just like everyone else.
I'm not confident that the 50 seat only carriers are going to weather this.
If it comes down to it ALPA will buckle on scope clause if it means saving jobs, especially under the current conditions. Atleast temporarily.
I was part of ALPA at one point at another carrier and post 911, they pretty well threw us under the bus when it came to the contract. Who's interest are they gonna protect? The 2% revenue from a regional pilots salary VS 2% of a legacy salary.
Let's not sugar coat it, doesn't matter what carrier you work for, the current flying climate gives the airlines the upper hand. Right now its short term damage control with log term planning being prepped in the background. This is "act of God" circumstances and as long as the carriers are getting what they want out of the union groups, they will be happy but when push comes to shove, they will break the contracts and chances are a judge will side with airline management.
In general it sucks to be working for an airline right now.
Last September, Mesa couldn't cover IAH ER7 routes due to lack of pilots. UA asked Skywest to help. When Horizon had issues years ago with lack of pilots, Skywest was able to step in and cover there routes until Horizon could get proper staffing. It happens all the time, these are just a couple examples and unlikely any regional is going to tell there pilot group they had lost routes because of staffing.
Yes, Skywest is currently doing OK compared to other carriers. But, it's mainly on the ERJ side. Our 200 flying is in the toilet, just like everyone else.
I'm not confident that the 50 seat only carriers are going to weather this.
If it comes down to it ALPA will buckle on scope clause if it means saving jobs, especially under the current conditions. Atleast temporarily.
I was part of ALPA at one point at another carrier and post 911, they pretty well threw us under the bus when it came to the contract. Who's interest are they gonna protect? The 2% revenue from a regional pilots salary VS 2% of a legacy salary.
Let's not sugar coat it, doesn't matter what carrier you work for, the current flying climate gives the airlines the upper hand. Right now its short term damage control with log term planning being prepped in the background. This is "act of God" circumstances and as long as the carriers are getting what they want out of the union groups, they will be happy but when push comes to shove, they will break the contracts and chances are a judge will side with airline management.
In general it sucks to be working for an airline right now.
07-10-2020 | 07:05 PM
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What a bunch of nonsense. You are cheaper. You can underbid contracts because you benefit from economies of scale and your business structure is inherently different than most regionals. You assume the risk of leasing aircraft so your partner airlines don’t have to. Makes a nice neat little package to offer.
I used to fly for OO and would not have traded my situation for any ALPA UAX carrier, but was very pro ALPA at OO
07-10-2020 | 07:33 PM
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not necessarily better run, but large enough to run slimmer profit margins than its competitors. I suppose you could argue it's larger than its competitors because it is better run than other regionals, but the issue at hand has more to do with economies of scale than a better product/management. however, a better product/management can help a company achieve such economies of scale in the first place
07-10-2020 | 08:16 PM
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not necessarily better run, but large enough to run slimmer profit margins than its competitors. I suppose you could argue it's larger than its competitors because it is better run than other regionals, but the issue at hand has more to do with economies of scale than a better product/management. however, a better product/management can help a company achieve such economies of scale in the first place
07-11-2020 | 08:35 AM
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Yes OO has economy of scale. Also financial flexibility to offer things like turnkey fleets at no up-front cost to the major partner and the ability to quickly ramp up new operations (certain other regionals consistently commit to doing that and then consistently fail). Even loans to distressed major partners.
They are well run, certainly by regional airline standards. That's how they got the economy of scale in the first place.
They are well run, certainly by regional airline standards. That's how they got the economy of scale in the first place.
07-11-2020 | 10:18 AM
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That’s being done in case Kirby goes with the “shutdown XJT” option that seems to be on the table.
07-11-2020 | 09:52 PM
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I just did a 3 day, SFO - RNO - SFO - EUG - DEN -SAF - EUG - SFO. I was slightly astonished to see that at EUG and SAF, the only airplanes at the airport were OO (wearing UA, DL, and AA colors). At SFO, and I kid you not, of 5 airplanes in the departure lineup, 4 were OO. Finally at DEN, we were at the head of a 6-plane lineup for the 25 departure. Four were OO 175s. One was a UA A319. And then there we were in an OO CRJ-700.
It was kinda spooky, I gotta say.
It was kinda spooky, I gotta say.
07-11-2020 | 11:28 PM
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I just did a 3 day, SFO - RNO - SFO - EUG - DEN -SAF - EUG - SFO. I was slightly astonished to see that at EUG and SAF, the only airplanes at the airport were OO (wearing UA, DL, and AA colors). At SFO, and I kid you not, of 5 airplanes in the departure lineup, 4 were OO. Finally at DEN, we were at the head of a 6-plane lineup for the 25 departure. Four were OO 175s. One was a UA A319. And then there we were in an OO CRJ-700.
It was kinda spooky, I gotta say.
It was kinda spooky, I gotta say.
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