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Old 12-29-2020, 08:49 AM
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Take whatever you can get. Some 135 jet time would be awesome. I would be trying to get that but there isn't any part time work I can find for an entry level candidate (even if I pay for my own type- which I considered but decided against)

The 1500 rule a combined with covid created a "glass ceiling" of sorts. You are of no use to ATP working for less than minimum wage once you are close to the hours requirement and regional airlines aren't going to take people at the bare minimums when more qualified guys that got furloughed are begging for jobs.

The current airline situation puts CFIs at the back of the line to get hired behind anyone else qualified with jet time

In fact, I think I am the only qualified category behind you to get hired because I am the 1000 hour R-ATP candidate. The only thing I have going for me in aviation is the "cadet" status with cancelled class dates for two regionals. The second choice regional flys 200s exclusively- so we will see if they change aircraft or just end operations.. The thrid regional I had a class date is now defunct (Compass). I am not expecting anything until at least 2022 if not 2023-24.

I am not instructing anymore (because its not worth my time making less than minimum wage when I no longer need hours) and just renting to stay current. Thankfully my current career pays well and seems to be covid economy proof- for now at least.

Maybe try asking for an unpaid leave of absence and see what ATP says.

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Old 12-29-2020, 10:13 AM
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When hiring starts up again, you should not have a problem getting a regional gig. I'd take the 135 job and gain the experience. Maybe you'll end up staying until you can get to a major/legacy, if you choose that path.
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bgrace6 View Post
As the title states. Iím torn on what to do. (assuming Iím offered the job). 1,000 hour CFI & also a cadet with Envoy.

I have an interview next week to fly a citation bravo for a smaller 135 company. Iíd hate to burn bridges with Envoy/AA but Iím making quite literally less than minimum wage instructing at ATP after they cut our pay.

Is it career suicide to leave the cadet program for a charter job considering the climate in the industry?

Is it worth it to wait it out until the regionals start hiring again? Iíd hate to leave a guaranteed job at envoy then they turn around & start classes again in the next 6 months

Go do the interview, prep well for it and don't expect the job to be handed to you. You can network very well on the 135 side I'd almost argue better then 121.
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:55 AM
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Go do the interview, prep well for it and don't expect the job to be handed to you. You can network very well on the 135 side I'd almost argue better then 121.
Any advice on what to study for a 135 job?

My interview with envoy was a typical FO interview briefing plates, arrivals, 121 regs, etc. Think itíll be close to the same? Minus the 121 stuff.
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bgrace6 View Post
Thats not at all a reason I would turn it down. Iíve always heard Ďdonít burn bridges in this industryí & was asking if leaving the cadet program would be burning a bridge. Was simply wondering if anyone thought regionals might start hiring again in the next 6 months or so.

Iím definitely aware that the advertised flow time has always been complete garbage & a recruiting tool.
Do you have to resign as a cadet to take the 135 job?
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Old 12-29-2020, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bgrace6 View Post
Any advice on what to study for a 135 job?.
Very hard to tell. Your personality and customer service skills will be just as if not more important than your technical knowledge. Additionally, they will be looking for your ability to conform to company culture and if youíre worth the investment to employ. If they know youíre an Envoy cadet, youíre going to have to explain convincingly that youíre not going to bolt the moment the regionals start to hire.
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Old 12-29-2020, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop View Post
Very hard to tell. Your personality and customer service skills will be just as if not more important than your technical knowledge. Additionally, they will be looking for your ability to conform to company culture and if youíre worth the investment to employ. If they know youíre an Envoy cadet, youíre going to have to explain convincingly that youíre not going to bolt the moment the regionals start to hire.

Makes sense. Honestly about what I was thinking. Iíve always been a people person & get along with about everyone so Iím hoping it goes well.

One of my buddies was actually hired by the same company & he said he wasnít even asked a tech question. He has contacts at the company though so maybe they gave him a different interview than normal.

Think I should even mention the cadet thing?
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:27 PM
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Think I should even mention the cadet thing?
He|| no. Better if they donít know you were foolish enough to sign up for it at all. Donít lie if they ask you but for damn sure donít volunteer the info.
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:28 PM
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He|| no. Better if they donít know you were foolish enough to sign up for it at all. Donít lie if they ask you but for damn sure donít volunteer the info.
Hahah understood. Thanks for the help!
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Old 12-29-2020, 04:18 PM
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Donít let the jerks on this forum get you down. Youíre doing the smart thing by asking questions and thereís good information in here if you can ignore the negativity which, sadly, seems to be virtually guaranteed as of late.
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