what would be the point of that

 

I see, so you are pretty well versed in the how the DEN air travel market place is?

Do you think that F9 trying to compete with a Ch.11 legacy for years, as well
the entrance of a very successful LCC into their area might make a tad bit of difference of whether or not F9 could make money at their current cost structure?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of ANY paycut. But have you ever worked at a company that was facing fierce competition and having the squeeze put on them by a Ch.11 company, or a Ch.11 codeshare partner? If I remember correctly, you took a job at a bottom feeder that is counter producitve to helping out pilot pay levels.

I'm not nocking Colgan pilots, just your point of view.

And since you have read their new contract, I assume you have friends there as well? I would also assume that you know that their crew software (flicka) can do just about everything that CCS can do. Maybe you and all your bitching can make a call to IAH and tell them get it for us so the DelCon/Branded pilots can have something.

 

Those are fighting words. You are lucky I am not there in Terminal B. I would like to see you lay me out. You are so worried about what CHQ is saying and doing, why don't you keep you head in your cockpit and shut up. It ****es me off to here how Xjet guys complain about CHQ. Does CHQ pilots complain about Xjet? NO WAY. We keep it professional.

Do me a favor, have a good day.

 

I agree 100%, I am trying to get involved with the union, as soon as I have more say than I do now that would be a good topic to address


PS As the remark of me going to COLGAN, I didnt know any better, as soon as educated myself and got tired of the abuse I left...............

 

Wow... this thread has gone in about 5 different directions at once!
... Starting to remind me of a Jerry Springer episode!!

Jeezus, everybody needs to take a friggin chill pill and play nice or something.

 

Who's this very successful LCC? USA Today in February ran a front page story in the money section saying that because of Frontier noone is winning overthere.

 

Your point also shows your lack of information on this subject, as CHQ's weights are established from their own actual averages, as measured by the FAA in accordance with the average weight program.

It has nothing to do with money spent. CHQ just had a higher average than XJT at the time each did their measurements. It shows a fundamental flaw in the program when two carriers with the same airplane out of the same airport are limited to different figures for w&b. Its ridiculous.

 

I couldn't care less what CHQ says or does. I have nothing against CHQ pilots as a group. I think CHQ's management is a bunch of boneheads and so is Continental's but thats a different story. What I DO take issue with is CHQ pilots (and I've had more than one tell me this face to face) saying the hard stands are ruining their on-time performance and that we really threw them for a loop when we announced we were keeping the airplanes. That being said, I have had numerous civil, well-rounded and enjoyable conversations with many CHQ pilots. All the guys that were down here in the beginning of the year have my sympathy cause it was a CLUSTER. It really sucks to be asked to do a job but then not be given the tools to do it.

XJT is branching out into its own endeavors and refusing to take it up the a$$ like so many other companies in this business are far too eager to do. Best of luck to you guys at RAH in your upcoming negotiations. Get that 70-seat pay up where it needs to be!

 

To the best of my knowledge no ERJs here at XJT have been bent, broken or otherwise fallen out of the sky due to our W&B program. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

Guess you guys at CHQ need to do a better job finding the skinny people then. They probably asked the pilots to pick which pax to weigh. I'm still confused though, are they your weights or the FAA's?

You're right though, it IS rediculous. It's ridiculous that CHQ can fly a 145LR from IAH-STL and only carry 45 pax and 30 bags but the XJT flight later that same day, also a 145LR, can carry 50 pax, a jumpseater (who would have had a seat if the earlier CHQ flight hadn't been restricted) and 60 bags (15 of which were bumped from the earlier CHQ flight). And its costing Momma CAL tens of thousands of dollars per month and a lot of passenger loyalty. Rediculous.

 

Here we go:

Our weights are actually FAA standard. We did a measurement...but of course it was done in the northeast where everyone is fatter and in MCO where everyone is traveling with everything they own for the 3 month vacation at Disney world. In the end...it back fired. So, we have the FAA standard weights...which suck. A lot.

My gripe with CAL hardstand is not that we can't operate there...it's the Ramp/Gate Agents don't want us there. Trust me, they are less than enthusiastic to get us what we need to get out. Every other carrier has no problem handing us the W&B paperwork we need 5 minutes prior...in IAH you're lucky to get it by departure time. We don't have ACARS on the 145, which means we're spinning the wheel by hand. Also, asking for anything like...oh...i don't know...semi-accurate counts for PAX and Bags beforehand is like apparently akin to asking them to make the earth spin in a different direction. Also, their ability to due simple math (i.e. 1 PAX = 6 bags) to get them to remove either some bags or people is a 20 minute ordeal. Even when just say "Hey, do this..." it takes 30 minutes to get it DONE. Our operation starting there was definately a cluster, and to a certain extent still is...but somehow we operate with above average completion and on-time performance with EVERY OTHER CARRIER than Continental AT IAH....170 included (which does have ACARS and it's not our "own BS times").