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Old 12-03-2021 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by joepilot
I believe that it is not the rATP that is the problem, but the restricted part means relatively low flight time, and thus not particularly competitive at a legacy.

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A mil pilot with less than 1500 hours in anything is not going to be particularly competitive at majors.

Possible maybe exception for fighter pilots but even then I couldn't imagine them touching you with less than 1000 and probably need more like 1200+

For mil they also care very much about your career progression, ie lead quals, squadron duties, safety, etc... hard to have a lot of those tickets punched with low time.
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Old 12-03-2021 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I know some now have less than 10K.

Also it's always mostly the same 10K on file at all of the top-tier. So 10K total to go around, not 10K each.
Except for lifers, there are about 8K CA with the regionals. Subtracting Mil and 135/91/etc., this fall and 2022 the majors plan to hire about 8K from the regionals, maybe a bit more.

Let you think about the ramifications of this.
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Old 12-15-2021 | 11:39 AM
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They have done all in their power not to hire too many from the regionals. Next year may be the year they are actually forced to absorb a bigger number of the regional feed pilots than in past years. Before covid they hit the tip of the iceberg on hiring, but prior to that it was really a trickle of rj pilots to keep the hope alive to people slogging it out at the regionals that if you "keep doing what you're doing someday you'll get the call".

When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
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Old 12-15-2021 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Celeste
They have done all in their power not to hire too many from the regionals. Next year may be the year they are actually forced to absorb a bigger number of the regional feed pilots than in past years. Before covid they hit the tip of the iceberg on hiring, but prior to that it was really a trickle of rj pilots to keep the hope alive to people slogging it out at the regionals that if you "keep doing what you're doing someday you'll get the call".

When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
Not only do I think you’re onto something, but I think you nailed it. After some conversations with my new hire classmates during initial I came to the same consensus. I spoke with more than a few who had your scenario. They couldn’t get a call at XYZ regional for years while in the left seat, but a short while after joining an LCC or ACMI, some while still in initial training, “got the call”.

It makes sense, the business model of the legacy airlines depends on regional feed, why intentionally dry it up if you don’t have too.
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Old 12-15-2021 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Celeste
They have done all in their power not to hire too many from the regionals. Next year may be the year they are actually forced to absorb a bigger number of the regional feed pilots than in past years. Before covid they hit the tip of the iceberg on hiring, but prior to that it was really a trickle of rj pilots to keep the hope alive to people slogging it out at the regionals that if you "keep doing what you're doing someday you'll get the call".

When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
Why it might be more benificial to leave said regional and work for an LCC while waiting for that legacy to call. Or fly for a regional that only does flying for a legacy that isnt your top choice...aka work at 9E and apply to UAL or AA.
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Old 12-15-2021 | 01:25 PM
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And when they hire from an ACMI/LCC … those carriers backfill without hiring regional pilots?

if the majors are targeting non-regional 121 that’s not a well-considered strategy to reduce regional attrition
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Old 12-15-2021 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
And when they hire from an ACMI/LCC … those carriers backfill without hiring regional pilots?

if the majors are targeting non-regional 121 that’s not a well-considered strategy to reduce regional attrition
It's not a strategy because it doesn't happen.
You just tend to be more competitive when you have something non-regional on your resume. That was the trigger for the call. The HR departments don't have some sinister grand master plans about controlling pilot attrition in different airlines. They just hire the ones that seem the most qualified.
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Old 12-15-2021 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
It's not a strategy because it doesn't happen.
You just tend to be more competitive when you have something non-regional on your resume. That was the trigger for the call. The HR departments don't have some sinister grand master plans about controlling pilot attrition in different airlines. They just hire the ones that seem the most qualified.
Picking off a pilot from a competitor who just spent 50 to 100 stacks training that pilot isn’t a strategy?

I disagree.

And don’t even get me started with your hilarious quote, “they just hire the most qualified candidates”. So what’s the angle then with the AVIATE and DELTA Propel programs? They’ve been strategically hiring before Covid even started.

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Old 12-15-2021 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
And when they hire from an ACMI/LCC … those carriers backfill without hiring regional pilots?

if the majors are targeting non-regional 121 that’s not a well-considered strategy to reduce regional attrition
Yeah it is. This isn’t an automatic 1 for 1. So we’re just assuming these LCC’s hire their talent from regionals only? You’re under the impression that one regional pilot leaves to said legacy, one regional pilot automatically replaces his/her place at the LCC?

Respectfully disagree.
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Old 12-15-2021 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
You’re under the impression that one regional pilot leaves to said legacy, one regional pilot automatically replaces his/her place at the LCC?

Respectfully disagree.
10 leave, 9 backfill. It’s close enough. The people who go to an ACMI/LCC who have no impact on the regional hiring and retention pool
is pretty small
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