Major Airline Hiring 2020
12-03-2021, 08:34 AM
#171
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Originally Posted by joepilot
I believe that it is not the rATP that is the problem, but the restricted part means relatively low flight time, and thus not particularly competitive at a legacy.
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Possible maybe exception for fighter pilots but even then I couldn't imagine them touching you with less than 1000 and probably need more like 1200+
For mil they also care very much about your career progression, ie lead quals, squadron duties, safety, etc... hard to have a lot of those tickets punched with low time.
12-03-2021, 09:42 AM
#172
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I know some now have less than 10K.
Also it's always mostly the same 10K on file at all of the top-tier. So 10K total to go around, not 10K each.
Also it's always mostly the same 10K on file at all of the top-tier. So 10K total to go around, not 10K each.
Let you think about the ramifications of this.
12-15-2021, 11:39 AM
#173
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They have done all in their power not to hire too many from the regionals. Next year may be the year they are actually forced to absorb a bigger number of the regional feed pilots than in past years. Before covid they hit the tip of the iceberg on hiring, but prior to that it was really a trickle of rj pilots to keep the hope alive to people slogging it out at the regionals that if you "keep doing what you're doing someday you'll get the call".
When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
12-15-2021, 11:54 AM
#174
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Originally Posted by Celeste
They have done all in their power not to hire too many from the regionals. Next year may be the year they are actually forced to absorb a bigger number of the regional feed pilots than in past years. Before covid they hit the tip of the iceberg on hiring, but prior to that it was really a trickle of rj pilots to keep the hope alive to people slogging it out at the regionals that if you "keep doing what you're doing someday you'll get the call".
When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
It makes sense, the business model of the legacy airlines depends on regional feed, why intentionally dry it up if you don’t have too.
12-15-2021, 01:15 PM
#175
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Originally Posted by Celeste
They have done all in their power not to hire too many from the regionals. Next year may be the year they are actually forced to absorb a bigger number of the regional feed pilots than in past years. Before covid they hit the tip of the iceberg on hiring, but prior to that it was really a trickle of rj pilots to keep the hope alive to people slogging it out at the regionals that if you "keep doing what you're doing someday you'll get the call".
When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
When I finally made the jump to an ACMI I had offers from every legacy within months of leaving the regionals after applying for years without getting a call. I really believe no longer being a part of their feed helped more than adding a new type rating. Just Imho.
12-15-2021, 01:33 PM
#177
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
And when they hire from an ACMI/LCC … those carriers backfill without hiring regional pilots?
if the majors are targeting non-regional 121 that’s not a well-considered strategy to reduce regional attrition
if the majors are targeting non-regional 121 that’s not a well-considered strategy to reduce regional attrition
You just tend to be more competitive when you have something non-regional on your resume. That was the trigger for the call. The HR departments don't have some sinister grand master plans about controlling pilot attrition in different airlines. They just hire the ones that seem the most qualified.
12-15-2021, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
It's not a strategy because it doesn't happen.
You just tend to be more competitive when you have something non-regional on your resume. That was the trigger for the call. The HR departments don't have some sinister grand master plans about controlling pilot attrition in different airlines. They just hire the ones that seem the most qualified.
You just tend to be more competitive when you have something non-regional on your resume. That was the trigger for the call. The HR departments don't have some sinister grand master plans about controlling pilot attrition in different airlines. They just hire the ones that seem the most qualified.
I disagree.
And don’t even get me started with your hilarious quote, “they just hire the most qualified candidates”. So what’s the angle then with the AVIATE and DELTA Propel programs? They’ve been strategically hiring before Covid even started.
Last edited by KirillTheThrill; 12-15-2021 at 03:01 PM.
12-15-2021, 02:39 PM
#179
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
And when they hire from an ACMI/LCC … those carriers backfill without hiring regional pilots?
if the majors are targeting non-regional 121 that’s not a well-considered strategy to reduce regional attrition
if the majors are targeting non-regional 121 that’s not a well-considered strategy to reduce regional attrition
Respectfully disagree.
12-15-2021, 06:00 PM
#180
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
You’re under the impression that one regional pilot leaves to said legacy, one regional pilot automatically replaces his/her place at the LCC?
Respectfully disagree.
Respectfully disagree.
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