Regional airlines want to axe 1500 hour rule
10-03-2021, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
The biggest reason I don't ever see the 1,500 hour rule going away is because I can't think of a single politician who would go on the record to fight for something that would appear to normal people as making air travel less safe.
The difference IMO is the visibility with this one. It's far simpler and more direct if something goes wrong.
10-03-2021, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
The last airline hull loss was Colgan and the last fatality was that SWA engine failure. Where on earth are you getting 1200 fatalities? You have to be including part 91 stuff which is not the same.
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/avia...ocuments-show/
But if you want to look at air carriers, as in scheduled operations, numbers might be quite a bit different. The US tends to have a lot more places with air service/flights, given we don't have the rail-network of Europe with all the big countries so close. Air carriers should be the only important number, rather than chopping it up 121 vs 135. 135 includes both on-demand and commuter air-carrier, which feeds larger airlines. Of course "regionals" used to all be 135, then there was the rule change, but there are still lots and lots of 135 air carriers doing scheduled service to places every day. These should count just as much.
10-04-2021, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Last 121 passenger fatality:
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/avia...ocuments-show/
But if you want to look at air carriers, as in scheduled operations, numbers might be quite a bit different. The US tends to have a lot more places with air service/flights, given we don't have the rail-network of Europe with all the big countries so close. Air carriers should be the only important number, rather than chopping it up 121 vs 135. 135 includes both on-demand and commuter air-carrier, which feeds larger airlines. Of course "regionals" used to all be 135, then there was the rule change, but there are still lots and lots of 135 air carriers doing scheduled service to places every day. These should count just as much.
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/avia...ocuments-show/
But if you want to look at air carriers, as in scheduled operations, numbers might be quite a bit different. The US tends to have a lot more places with air service/flights, given we don't have the rail-network of Europe with all the big countries so close. Air carriers should be the only important number, rather than chopping it up 121 vs 135. 135 includes both on-demand and commuter air-carrier, which feeds larger airlines. Of course "regionals" used to all be 135, then there was the rule change, but there are still lots and lots of 135 air carriers doing scheduled service to places every day. These should count just as much.
10-04-2021, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by yelkhettar
Just a reminder. The United States reports the highest number of civil airliner accidents in the world. Around 1200 fatalities in commercial air transport in the US from 2015 to 2019 compared to 700 in all of Europe. Don’t get me wrong I’m not European. I’m just saying that this 1500 hours rule doesn’t make any sense. Everyday thousands of flights in Europe (Ryanair, Easyjet etc…) are taking off with copilots that are 25 years old who got their jobs with 250 hours logged. Do you think these compagnies are putting their passengers and planes in danger because of that? This is all politics here in the US. It has nothing to do with the fact that 1500 hours makes you a better pilot to drive a airliner.
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10-04-2021, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Last 121 passenger fatality:
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/avia...ocuments-show/
But if you want to look at air carriers, as in scheduled operations, numbers might be quite a bit different. The US tends to have a lot more places with air service/flights, given we don't have the rail-network of Europe with all the big countries so close. Air carriers should be the only important number, rather than chopping it up 121 vs 135. 135 includes both on-demand and commuter air-carrier, which feeds larger airlines. Of course "regionals" used to all be 135, then there was the rule change, but there are still lots and lots of 135 air carriers doing scheduled service to places every day. These should count just as much.
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/avia...ocuments-show/
But if you want to look at air carriers, as in scheduled operations, numbers might be quite a bit different. The US tends to have a lot more places with air service/flights, given we don't have the rail-network of Europe with all the big countries so close. Air carriers should be the only important number, rather than chopping it up 121 vs 135. 135 includes both on-demand and commuter air-carrier, which feeds larger airlines. Of course "regionals" used to all be 135, then there was the rule change, but there are still lots and lots of 135 air carriers doing scheduled service to places every day. These should count just as much.
10-04-2021, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by yelkhettar
Just a reminder. The United States reports the highest number of civil airliner accidents in the world. Around 1200 fatalities in commercial air transport in the US from 2015 to 2019 compared to 700 in all of Europe. Don’t get me wrong I’m not European. I’m just saying that this 1500 hours rule doesn’t make any sense. Everyday thousands of flights in Europe (Ryanair, Easyjet etc…) are taking off with copilots that are 25 years old who got their jobs with 250 hours logged. Do you think these compagnies are putting their passengers and planes in danger because of that? This is all politics here in the US. It has nothing to do with the fact that 1500 hours makes you a better pilot to drive a airliner.
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Where are you getting these stats? Do you even google? Holy crap you're way off.
We have, by far, the safest aviation system in the world. Not even close.
10-04-2021, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Glad to see most people understand that the 1500 hour rule wasn't about safety, it was about the unions
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10-04-2021, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Does anyone remember the 1990's? Regionals wouldn't look at you unless you had 1500TT/250 Multi and then you had to fork over $10,000 to pay for your training.
Didn't have $10,000 for an $18,000/yr job? That's okay. Eagle would hire you without pay-for-training, but now you needed 2,000TT and 500 multi.
Kids these days.
And get off my lawn, too.
Didn't have $10,000 for an $18,000/yr job? That's okay. Eagle would hire you without pay-for-training, but now you needed 2,000TT and 500 multi.
Kids these days.
And get off my lawn, too.
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