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Old 03-09-2022 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
I could see where it could hurt pilot recruitment from any source other than a branded regional. Military pilots or pilots from regionals outside of the brand wouldn’t want to go to brand X knowing that a bunch of regional pilots would come in on top of them when their flow number comes up and extend their time on reserve or prevent bidding more desirable bases.
Agreed, I also think that most people, early on, have an idea which legacy they would like to go to. A program like this would help to staff their regionals.

Also, I think the percentage of military pilots hired by the legacies is only going down as the military throughput of pilots has continually decreased through the years and that trend is likely to continue as UAS takes on larger roles.

There only seems to be two options, either find a way to maintain the regionals or bring them in house entirely. I think they would like to do the former over the later, the later does the same effective thing as any military pilot coming I will have the seniority to hold a 175 and will take just as long to get out of that if they had regional pilots leapfrogging them when they decide to come up. So, it’s in the military pilots best interest to have a regional pilot gain seniority there rather than flying the same metal at a legacy.
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Old 03-09-2022 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
Agreed, I also think that most people, early on, have an idea which legacy they would like to go to. A program like this would help to staff their regionals.

Also, I think the percentage of military pilots hired by the legacies is only going down as the military throughput of pilots has continually decreased through the years and that trend is likely to continue as UAS takes on larger roles.

There only seems to be two options, either find a way to maintain the regionals or bring them in house entirely. I think they would like to do the former over the later, the later does the same effective thing as any military pilot coming I will have the seniority to hold a 175 and will take just as long to get out of that if they had regional pilots leapfrogging them when they decide to come up. So, it’s in the military pilots best interest to have a regional pilot gain seniority there rather than flying the same metal at a legacy.
The legacy unions have been pushing for in house for a long time, but it has historically been cheaper to maintain the C-scale regional whipsaw. I can’t imagine the current model surviving this kind of attrition. My guess is that if hiring continues at this pace, the 145/200’s are gone within 2 years due to fuel cost and staffing problems. The regionals will be left with the current number of 70/76 and some type of improved flow agreements. The legacies will staff through flow, military, and poaching other brands regional pilots before they can flow and LCC pilots. If we do end up in another 2008 or worse recession (a very real possibility), then all bets are off and they make up some other scheme.
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Old 03-09-2022 | 06:36 PM
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Which regional could be bought, or brought in house? And who would buy them?
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Old 03-09-2022 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyCFI
Which regional could be bought, or brought in house? And who would buy them?

AA already owns three regional carriers. DAL owns one. UAL has stakes in a few others I believe.


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Old 03-09-2022 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
AA already owns three regional carriers. DAL owns one. UAL has stakes in a few others I believe.


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And Alaska has Horizon, as well. Pretty clear for 3 majors. UAL will work itself out.

Solution could be staple, park most of the 50 seaters, up gage, milk runs.
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Old 03-09-2022 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
And Alaska has Horizon, as well. Pretty clear for 3 majors. UAL will work itself out.

Solution could be staple, park most of the 50 seaters, up gage, milk runs.
UAL not having a regional I think makes them the most likely to offer a seniority number at the regionals. Acquiring one incurs risk, offering seniority doesn’t. They could test the waters with the idea and see if it floats. Plenty of 23 year olds would jump, rightfully so IMO, on the chance to grab a seniority number that young.
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Old 03-09-2022 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
UAL not having a regional I think makes them the most likely to offer a seniority number at the regionals. Acquiring one incurs risk, offering seniority doesn’t. They could test the waters with the idea and see if it floats. Plenty of 23 year olds would jump, rightfully so IMO, on the chance to grab a seniority number that young.
UAL can’t do that without the pilots voting to amend the UPA. Seniority is defined in the UPA and it specifically says that a pilot will be placed on the seniority list effective on the date of hire as a pilot with the company.
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Old 03-09-2022 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
UAL can’t do that without the pilots voting to amend the UPA. Seniority is defined in the UPA and it specifically says that a pilot will be placed on the seniority list effective on the date of hire as a pilot with the company.
Fair enough, first to broach the subject then with the union.
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Old 03-10-2022 | 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by IamEssential
They've spent two decades now eroding their armed forces by cutting their budgets…
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So did Russia apparently.
Calling out” and other actions eroded our unity and wasn’t helpful.
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Old 03-10-2022 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
UAL not having a regional I think makes them the most likely to offer a seniority number at the regionals. Acquiring one incurs risk, offering seniority doesn’t. They could test the waters with the idea and see if it floats. Plenty of 23 year olds would jump, rightfully so IMO, on the chance to grab a seniority number that young.
most likely longevity, not seniority if it happens
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