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Old 03-10-2022 | 05:46 AM
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It’s gonna have to be both. No one will stay for just one or the other if they can get hired elsewhere and get the whole enchilada.

Today is my last day flying for a WO carrier before heading to AA, but if they offered me seniority + longevity + narrow body pay protection to stay here for 2-3 years, I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. Most likely, so would a lot of other guys sitting in class elsewhere.

Until then they’re going to struggle with staffing, assuming this hiring environment.

As I mentioned earlier, everything has a price, be it my time in an RJ, or mainline unions helping to solve this regional staffing crisis. Management simply doesn’t understand what the price of the former is, and likely doesn’t want to even ask the price of the latter.


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Old 03-10-2022 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes. But RU's military power really comes down to strategic nukes, and by that metric they are #2 by a wide margin.
True, but the Ukraine was right up there at number three- once. When the USSR went under they had 170 ICBMs ( mostly SS-19s and SS-24s) and about 1900 nukes. Under the Budapest agreement they gave all these up for certain assurances from Great Britain, the US, and Russia that the territorial integrity of the Ukraine would be respected.

ASSURANCES FOR UKRAINE

Before agreeing to give up this nuclear arsenal, Kyiv sought three assurances. First, it wanted compensation for the value of the highly-enriched uranium in the nuclear warheads, which could be blended down for use as fuel for nuclear reactors. Russia agreed to provide that.

Second, eliminating ICBMs, ICBM silos, and bombers did not come cheaply. With its economy rapidly contracting, the Ukrainian government could not afford the costs. The United States agreed to cover those costs with Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction assistance.

Third, Ukraine wanted guarantees or assurances of its security once it got rid of the nuclear arms. The Budapest Memorandum provided security assurances.Unfortunately, Russia has broken virtually all the commitments it undertook in that document. It used military force to seize, and then illegally annex, Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula in early 2014. Russian and Russian proxy forces have waged war for more than five years in the eastern Ukrainian region of Donbas, claiming more than 13,000 lives and driving some two million people from their homes.

Some have argued that, since the United States did not invade Ukraine, it abided by its Budapest Memorandum commitments. True, in a narrow sense. However, when negotiating the security assurances, U.S. officials told their Ukrainian counterparts that, were Russia to violate them, the United States would take a strong interest and respond.

Washington did not promise unlimited support. The Budapest Memorandum contains security “assurances,” not “guarantees.” Guarantees would have implied a commitment of American military force, which NATO members have. U.S. officials made clear that was not on offer. Hence, assurances.

Beyond that, U.S. and Ukrainian officials did not discuss in detail how Washington might respond in the event of a Russian violation. That owed in part to then-Russian President Boris Yeltsin. He had his flaws, but he insisted that there be no revision of the boundaries separating the states that emerged from the Soviet collapse. Yeltsin respected Ukraine’s independence and territorial integrity. Vladimir Putin does not.
The failure of the Obama-Biden administration to take meaningful action when Putin took the Crimea like Biden’s comment that the US would not respond to a ‘minor’ incursion demonstrated that they had no intention of trying to actually enforce the Budapest Memorandum. It was practically a green light to the invasion.

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Old 03-10-2022 | 06:12 AM
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Making the rounds on one of our PSA FB groups today….




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Old 03-10-2022 | 08:21 PM
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This conversation is laughable. Why would the legacy union want to help fix the regional model? The union wants all flying in house, period. Any help fixing regional problems is totally off the table for negotiations, because scope is not for sale.
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Old 03-11-2022 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilfortina
This conversation is laughable. Why would the legacy union want to help fix the regional model? The union wants all flying in house, period. Any help fixing regional problems is totally off the table for negotiations, because scope is not for sale.
It’s interesting to hear you say that as I often hear legacy pilots talk about people having to “do their time” at the regionals as if that something everyone should have to do. Am I misinterpreting the intent of that statement?
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Old 03-11-2022 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
It’s interesting to hear you say that as I often hear legacy pilots talk about people having to “do their time” at the regionals as if that something everyone should have to do. Am I misinterpreting the intent of that statement?
Yes. You are. The intent of the statement is that they dont care about you.
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Old 03-11-2022 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Yes. You are. The intent of the statement is that they dont care about you.
That isn’t QUITE true. The truth is they consider the regionals to be flying THEIR flying, undercutting them on price. The regional pilots aren’t scabs - not really - because they don’t have any choice but….well, sort of…


I mean, what did you think the fight about scope was all about?

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Old 03-11-2022 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
It’s interesting to hear you say that as I often hear legacy pilots talk about people having to “do their time” at the regionals as if that something everyone should have to do. Am I misinterpreting the intent of that statement?
Originally Posted by highfarfast
Yes. You are. The intent of the statement is that they dont care about you.
They've fought an uphill battle to get to where they are, and usually paid a lot of dues (some generations more than others).

I don't think we believe that the next generation should pay the same dues just because. But we're not willing to give up any of what we earned the hard way to save upcomong pilots from having to do so.

That said, *some* dues paying is a good thing since it builds character and experience.

Also military pilots with no civilian-track experience other than one legacy tend to have no sympathy at all.
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Old 03-11-2022 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They've fought an uphill battle to get to where they are, and usually paid a lot of dues (some generations more than others).

I don't think we believe that the next generation should pay the same dues just because. But we're not willing to give up any of what we earned the hard way to save upcomong pilots from having to do so.

That said, *some* dues paying is a good thing since it builds character and experience.

Also military pilots with no civilian-track experience other than one legacy tend to have no sympathy at all.
Lol, so we agree.
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Old 03-11-2022 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
That isn’t QUITE true. The truth is they consider the regionals to be flying THEIR flying, undercutting them on price. The regional pilots aren’t scabs - not really - because they don’t have any choice but….well, sort of…


I mean, what did you think the fight about scope was all about?
If they were concerned about their flying, they never should have given it up in the first place.
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