ALPA says there is no pilot shortage
08-14-2022 | 04:15 PM
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I see where your brain is shorting now, maybe I can translate to something easier for you to understand!
Example:
Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
Reality:
Sonic Flyer declares that the 1500 hour rule has no effect on safety, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
You are the one arguing. We aren't proposing to make the 1500 hour rule. It is already made. There is no argument.
You are arguing we should amend the qualifications, therefore you need to prove your argument.
I'm not sure I can make this any more simple, but in the likely event you still don't comprehend I will see if I can make it even more simple for you
Example:
Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
Reality:
Sonic Flyer declares that the 1500 hour rule has no effect on safety, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
You are the one arguing. We aren't proposing to make the 1500 hour rule. It is already made. There is no argument.
You are arguing we should amend the qualifications, therefore you need to prove your argument.
I'm not sure I can make this any more simple, but in the likely event you still don't comprehend I will see if I can make it even more simple for you
08-14-2022 | 04:27 PM
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The profit motive is strong, sometimes (I'm sure you'd argue its far more than sometimes!) stronger than a safety motive or a long term planning horizon.
08-14-2022 | 04:36 PM
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False. I never wrote that.... See this: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
What I did write are the following facts:
1- it was implemented by Obama as a gift to the unions
2- at the time it was passed it had nothing to do with safety, it was purely political
3- there has been no peer reviewed study showing that the 1500 hour rule has made flying safer (please show me otherwise, I would like to read it!)
Nice try though.
What I did write are the following facts:
1- it was implemented by Obama as a gift to the unions
2- at the time it was passed it had nothing to do with safety, it was purely political
3- there has been no peer reviewed study showing that the 1500 hour rule has made flying safer (please show me otherwise, I would like to read it!)
Nice try though.
08-14-2022 | 04:54 PM
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False. I never wrote that.... See this: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
What I did write are the following facts:
1- it was implemented by Obama as a gift to the unions
2- at the time it was passed it had nothing to do with safety, it was purely political
3- there has been no peer reviewed study showing that the 1500 hour rule has made flying safer (please show me otherwise, I would like to read it!)
Nice try though.
What I did write are the following facts:
1- it was implemented by Obama as a gift to the unions
2- at the time it was passed it had nothing to do with safety, it was purely political
3- there has been no peer reviewed study showing that the 1500 hour rule has made flying safer (please show me otherwise, I would like to read it!)
Nice try though.
1- who cares?
2- who cares? I don't believe you but even if that's true who cares?
3- who cares? There hasn't been a peer reviewed study either way.
None of those 'facts,' even if true, are a good enough reason to go back to the old way. Result: Status quo. Why change it? What possible reason would there be to get rid of the rule? It seems like it's helped so let's let sleeping dogs lie.
Bad pretenses aren't a reason per se to get rid of a law or rule that can stand on its own merits
08-14-2022 | 05:01 PM
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You think ALPA had any pull with Obama?! The general public and politicians don’t care about airline pilots. There are so many more important things in politics than our small airline world. The families of Colgan 3407 is what CONGRESS cared about. It was bad PR to have them on the news talking about how unsafe the 121 world was. Unions had nothing to do with it.
08-14-2022 | 05:13 PM
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False. I never wrote that.... See this: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
What I did write are the following facts:
1- it was implemented by Obama as a gift to the unions
2- at the time it was passed it had nothing to do with safety, it was purely political
3- there has been no peer reviewed study showing that the 1500 hour rule has made flying safer (please show me otherwise, I would like to read it!)
Nice try though.
What I did write are the following facts:
1- it was implemented by Obama as a gift to the unions
2- at the time it was passed it had nothing to do with safety, it was purely political
3- there has been no peer reviewed study showing that the 1500 hour rule has made flying safer (please show me otherwise, I would like to read it!)
Nice try though.
2) it absolutely had to do with safety
3)it’s disingenuous to say this, because the statistical modeling of exceptionally rare events is nearly impossible. This is the problem with “safety science” as a whole.
08-15-2022 | 05:18 AM
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You think ALPA had any pull with Obama?! The general public and politicians don’t care about airline pilots. There are so many more important things in politics than our small airline world. The families of Colgan 3407 is what CONGRESS cared about. It was bad PR to have them on the news talking about how unsafe the 121 world was. Unions had nothing to do with it.
Because it is unnecessary, a political decision at its core, and it is creating an artificially higher barrier to entry which is leading to overworked pilots now and poor QOL not to mention hampering market expansion.
08-15-2022 | 06:15 AM
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it’s impossible to quantify a lot of things in safety science at a system level. Complex systems with many inputs and extremely low frequency failure are really hard to model. And while there are techniques and a lot of data, you aren’t privy to them and never will be.
08-15-2022 | 08:09 AM
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Exactly, so anyone who says the 1500 hour rule has made us safer cannot prove it. Thanks for confirming that.
08-15-2022 | 09:51 AM
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Exactly, so anyone who says the 1500 hour rule has made us safer cannot prove it. Thanks for confirming that.
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